Wikijunior talk:South America/Brazil

What do others think about the way ive divided up this page? The bellman 04:09, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I like it, because Brazil article must have one or two pages and this separation gives a good overview about the whole country. Insert a Brazil´s regions map would be nice. A short text about Brazil´s history would be nice too. By the way, are you brazilian? Gbiten 16:23, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Não, infelizmente, sou Australiano. I was in brasil for the first half of this year on intercambio, and i feel in love with it. Agora tengo muito saudade de brasil. Btw, i was just looking at wikipedia:Carnival and there is almost nothing about the brazillian carnival, so could you (i presume you are brazillian) add something to it, cause i dont really know that much about it (except for what happens in salvador). thanks. The bellman 00:48, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Spelling
Hey Bellman (go back to shakespeare wikireader, I'm starting up again too! :)). I think there needs to be a standard spelling for Brazil- I've always known it as a Z, but someone is using the s, which is probably also correct- is that a regional thing or a language thing? I changed the first paragraph to z's, but figured I'd ask before I go changing anything else. Lyellin 16:41, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for confusing you. I always spell it with an 's' out of habit, becuase that is how it is spelt in portuguese. In english however the correct spelling is with a 'z'. Sorry i didnt realise i was using an 's'. ill go fix it up. If i accedently do it again, go right ahead and change it to a 'z'. i dont know how much time ill have for the bard, but ill try and devote any spare wikitime to him. The bellman 22:42, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I had "thought" that was the case- but I couldn't be sure. I'll make changes to, as I find them- I'm hanging around the wikijunior stuff. Yea- I'm gonna be focusing more on WS now, so if you've got any time, stop back- I wanna get that off the ground finally. Lyellin 22:59, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * You know, we can have different spellings for different versions. If we can find a good direct-to-print (or if "print from disk", if you prefer) printer, and they don't mind, languages aside, we can vary bits and pieces of the magazine from country to country, even different ones for different regions (like particular provinces, say). While we'd have to make sure that one standardised edition was working perfectly before doing anything else, this could help make the content more relevant to everyone. --  user:zanimum


 * Bem-vindo versus bem vindo : I am no Portuguese teacher, but since I noticed there has been a few edits concerning the use of "bem vindo" I thought it would be a good idea to create a discussion here. As far as I know "bem-vindo" is an adjective and needs a verb of some sort. Like in "you are welcome here". "Bem vindo" is for the use in this article, for "Greetings!" So one would say "Bem vindo ao Brasil" or "Seja bem-vindo ao Brasil". Yeah... pretty confusing for me too... I tried to find an article explaining this online but Google treats hyphens as spaces on its searches. -- user:CrisDias

image suggestions
I did some additions to the module, but since my English is very poor, I think the text needs revision. Also, I would suggest some images:
 * Brasilia's map - it's shaped like an airplane, the city concept was created by famous architect Oscar Niemayer
 * Northeastern "Sertão" is constantly affected by droughts, perhaps an image of that could serve to teach kids that Brazil's is not only a place of parties and beauties.
 * A picture of São Paulo central streets would be great; the city is very similiar to metropolis of developed countries.

I live in São Paulo, so if there's any doubt or question, ask me! Marcelo Reis 01:03, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * You say that Paulistano is the word used to mean someone who lives in São Paulo, i always thougth it was Paulista. So what does Paulista mean then? The bellman 01:58, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Palista is who was born in São Paulo state
 * Paulistano is who was born in the city of São Paulo
 * Gbiten 02:51, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Who lives in Rio isn't Carioca, to be Carioca, like me, must be born in Rio (the city). The same works to be Palistano and Paulista. Gbiten 03:03, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Gbiten, I changed to "paulistano" because the text is refering the city of São Paulo, not the state; so the correct term for Rio is "carioca", indeed. Marcelo Reis 15:28, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

centralweastern
I removed this sentece: "The centralweastern region is the least populated region in Brazil." because the northern region is the least populated region in Brazil. Gbiten 03:23, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * My mistake, sorry. Marcelo Reis 15:29, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Ops... Brazil's region pop comparision
 * The centralwestern is the least populated region. Perhaps you was confused by the article on pt Wikipedia. I fix the information there, too. Marcelo Reis 18:18, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * You are wright, Tocantins is northern region now, when it wasn't separate from Goias the northern region is the least populated. I will correct the article. Gbiten 00:05, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Carnival
With the carnival infobox i was following the idea set out by this. The idea is that the information in the infobox is more indepth on a particular topic, so that those who want to know more can easily read it, and those who dont or cant can easily skip it with out missing any of the greater naritive. What do other people think? should it just be a normal heading? should we have more infoboxes? The bellman 04:21, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Titling, ie the northeast example
Feel pretty. Oh so pretty. And let that show in titles and subtitles. Otherwise, these are no better than the World Book for Kids. It's okay to be a little POV in this aspect, as long as it doesn't hurt the grand scheme of things. Don't mock anything, but just have fun with it. -- user:zanimum


 * Oh so pretty and witty, and OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH i feel pretty, like the preetiest girl in the world. The bellman 22:22, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC) btw, i think your titling idea is great.

translation help
I need to translate these words to english: Gbiten 18:34, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * cana-de-acúcar - a plant used to produce sugar and alcohol
 * brasa - when a wood is on fire, the wood turn red, brasa is the red part of wood on fire.


 * cana-de-açucar = sugarcane,
 * brasa = ember. Marcelo Reis 19:31, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Carnival´s photo
This carnival´s photo isn´t from Brazil, I will try to find some photo in public domain. Gbiten 07:44, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Spanish vs. Portuguese
Im reasonably sure that there are actually more portuguese speakers in South America than there are Spanish speakers. There are more Spanish speakers in the WHOLE of latin america, but because brasil is so huge i think .pt beats .es in south america. Does anyone have any statistics for how many ppl speak spanish in south america? The bellman 23:21, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * This wikipedia article says that Brazil has 176,029,560 ppl and South America has 355,070,540 ppl, so 49.5% of South America's ppl are brazilian and speak portuguese. Gbiten 22:18, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * and the pop of French Guiana (french speaking) is 182,333 and Guyana (enlish speaking) is 698,209 and Suriname (dutch speaking) is 436,494, which adds to 1 317 036, which brings non-spanish speakers up to 177 346 596, which means that spanish still has a majority of 188 674 speakers.


 * However, there are between 8 to 13 million people who speak Quechua as thier first language, a lot of whom speak little or no spanish, living in spanish speaking countries. But i know of no precise statistics.


 * So basicly it looks like both Spanish and Portuguese are minority languages in south america, both with about 49% share. The bellman 22:38, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

let's not forget that brazil has one of the highest population growths in the region, while the most populated spanish speaking countries in south america (colombia, argentina) are dropping their numbers when it comes to population growth, portuguese is indeed the most spoken languagei n south america, however spanish is a far more important and international language, therefore it overshadows the portuguese language.

My edition to History section
Hi, I've just made some editions to History section that some may not agree with because of the focus of the project, but here's my reasons:


 * first, I've corrected Portuguese spelling of Álvares Cabral (we always write his name with S instead of Z) and Goiás state (without the acute accent in the version for English-speaking kids to read).
 * I've specified that an Emperor is a kind of king, instead of a kind of leader. I think this is a better piece of information and not too precise.
 * The biggest change: I've rewritten the last paragraph to make clear there were two dictatorship phases in Brazil. They were different in time (1930s-1945, 1964-1985) and nature, and the democratic phase between them was of great importance to the country - it was when important places such as the nation's first steel mill, and Brasília, were built; when oil was first discovered here; and it's an important time for our culture, with writers like João Guimarães Rosa and the Bossa Nova movement in music.


 * I have a little bit of an issue regarding the NPOV of that last paragraph. I lived in Brazil when it went from a military dictatorship to civilian control (which was an amazing experience), and certainly a simplification of what occured there should be covered.  While I believe as well that there were many murders and assasinations (including the President of the Republic in 1985 by the military that got hushed up real good), I feel that this is more political opinion and not necessarily something that needs to be done as abruptly as stated here.  I guess I'm complaining that there is a period of over 60 years of modern history of Brazil that has been compressed down to 3 sentances, and it certainly could be expanded signifcantly.  Well, at least a couple of paragraphs.  The NPOV issue is still there, however, and I don't know an easy way to deal with it. --Rob Horning 10:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Maps
Hi, you will find maps of Brasil at commons: --Patrick-br 15:59, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Maps of Brazil

Racism
Many people in the Southern region are descended from Europeans. Golly gee, I guess this means the other regions in Brazil are simply uninhabited. And in any case, I strongly doubt that "many people" means more than a small minority. Most Brazilians are undoubtedly mestizo or mulatto. The only country in the whole of South Americas that's primarily white is Argentina, the rest are primarily Indian or Black. 70.26.56.242 21:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)