Wikijunior talk:Ancient Civilizations/Atlanteans

too many spelling mistakes

Does this even belong here? I'm not sure a story with no corroboration told over two millenia ago rises to the level of being included as a "fact." I'm sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I wanted to check. Rjstreet 04:00, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm as big a fan of the Atlantean Story as anyone, but i'm not sure that including it in a book is a good idea. We Still have NO CLUE as to where Atlantis might be, its lost, precisly why we can't find it. Good Effort, but this page should be removed.

I also think this should be removed from "Ancient Civilizations" or better moved to some section for "fictive ancient civilizations" which would be intresting as well.


 * I would have to add that I don't think this really belongs here. Most of this can and ought to be incorporated into the Minoan module instead, as the Minoans are considered a very likely source of the Atlantean ledgends.  They are geographically close to Greece (you don't hear about Atlanteans from the Aztec or Myan cultures), and there is geological evidence that volcanic activity may have "destroyed" Minoan cities in historical times, giving a good scientific explaination as to what may have in fact happened to them and a potential source of Altantis ledgends.  And certainly even simply weapons like a Bronze sword may have been significantly advanced compared to what most of Greece had for centuries before Plato, not to mention that they would have been in contact with Assyrians, Babylonians, and Egyptians as trade routes from these empires would have gone through the Minoans on their way to Greece.  Writing systems and scientific knowledge from those other civilizations, with perhaps unique insights of their own, would have made the Minoans quite advanced in their scientific knowledge as well compared to the Greeks before their demise. --Rob Horning 13:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I found this page in a state of relative dissarray and re-wrote it in a style that: A. Was more suitable for children B. Clearly emphasised the legendary and possibly ficticious state of the civilisation. C. Was, to my knowledge, grammatically correct with all poor spellings corrected. Please point out or correct personally any spelling mistakes that remain in the article.

It is unclear as to whether this page is discussing the original Atlantis page or my revised one, but as far as I can tell, all arguments here apart from the Minoan one are no longer relevant when looking at what I did to the page. I hope that this situation is cleared up to a satisfactory standard and I am more than willing to insert a section into the page about how it is easy to theorise that the Minoans may be the basis of the legend, with links to that page, copying this new part of the article largley from Mr Horning's above comment if I may. However, I do not think the article should be deleted. Anyone researching the Atlanteans may not be able to find the information they require if it is in the Minoan section. Without the knowledge of the Minoan theory, a reader might assume there is no information about the Atlanteans on the site at all and could go looking for information elsewhere. I hope you take these notes into account when making your judgement. For your reference, I had no idea that the image in the page was copyrighted and I did not publish it onto the page personally. And legend is definately the correct spelling...-- BB. 7th February 2006.

Image copyright violations
The images are in direct copyright violation. However I have found the artist and contacted him asking for permission to use them on this page. But if permission is not granted they will have to be deleted.--Konstable 05:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Note that the text here is more or less original contributions, and that will not be deleted. All that is going to go is the images, which IMHO is no major loss.  --Rob Horning 13:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

atlantis
what if Atlantis was right under our feet and didn't even know this because of different ocean floor patterns of time? What if the civilazation is under another civilization of our time: like Troy? some things that are not found are covered. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.67.97.46 (talk • contribs).


 * I would like to point out that as a serious study of ancient cultures, Atlantis barely fits in here. Plato is about the only "authoritative" source about Atlantis, and even that is mainly something that would otherwise be considered something of a Wikipedia-type stub article at best.  The rest is fictional conjecture and psuedoscience that makes UFO researchers seem like a paragon of scientific accuracy.


 * I will admit that I have some prejudice about even having this article included next to ones about ancient Egypt and Rome, as this seems to be something akin to purely fictional civilizations such as Narnia and Minas Tirith. The only difference is that Atlantis seems to have been discussed anciently and in mideval times as well, so there may be a small bit of truth to the whole thing.  I would emphasize that in particular for this article, some very substantal and credible sources ought to be used to substantiate any statements made about this civilization.  I have some serious dobuts that is even possible beyond Plato and his comments, but I may be surprised.  You certainly will be completely unable to find credible archeologists who have done any excavations of any Atlantean artifacts that confirm anything related directly to what Plato described, unless it is another civilization that already is known with another name and should be included with this Wikijunior book under that more commonly used scientific or popular culture name.  Please convince me (and others) that this article really needs to remain.


 * I'm not pushing hard for an immediate VfD here, but it may end up going that way. I'm willing to entertain that something of quality can be made from this article but in its current form this article is seriously wanting and in need of significant improvement and citations of scholarly sources.  --Rob Horning 19:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)