Wikibooks talk:Arbitration/Panic2k4 vs. SBJohnny/Plaintiff Charges

I post this comment on the discussion page because I do not, at this point in time, want to get involved in the arbitration process. I would like to suggest, however, that the charges by different plaintiffs be put in their own section. I see that all charges as of this version are by User:Darklama. Thus they would all go under the heading &#61;&#61; Darklama &#61;&#61; Or something like that. That way, the charges are just not "Everyman v. Panic," but "An Individual v. Panic" &mdash; User:Iamunknown 00:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Past discussions involving Panic, relating to his forking of the C++ book can be found at User_talk:Mshonle/Fork issue and User_talk:Mshonle/Fork issue 2. Kellen T 09:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Any factual information (such as links to discussions listed above) would be appreciated in this situation. There is going to be a huge amount of reading material on this topic, as it involves some Wikibookians who have many edits and a long history of interaction.  Obviously this is far more complex than a typical Willy on Wheels vandal situation, as would normally be justification for a user block.


 * In defense of why I set this up in this manner, it is already being an advisarial situation, so I'm just pushing that point out into the open. I'm also trying to "give his day in the court", so to say, with Panic, where nobody is being bullied over what they are saying.  Also very important, this is deliberately set up to level the normally unequal situation between user and administrator, which has been accused often on community fora like the VfD page.


 * Not everybody is going to be happy here, but it will make a resolution of the issue. --Rob Horning 17:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments from User:Paddu
''Note: I moved Paddu's comments to the "project" side of this page as Robert seems to be suggesting. I have left Panic's comments intact to do with as Robert feels is approperiate. --dark lama  18:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)''

I request that Paddu should move his comments to the project page if he thinks that we have still any unresolved dispute so that it can be addressed later, as it is, I consider all past action on my divergences with Paddu resolved after the said "fork", if not this lines above marked as comment should be considered as "his analysis of the problem" and as interferences and removed ASAP, as they don't deal with recent events, or events that have a bearing on the discussion at hand. I don't want any information to be destroyed but this is not the place for it, not in such elaborated way (user is free to move it to his talk space, other users talk space but shouldn't be annexed to the actual proceedings).

If not I will exert my right to reply to it here also and probably make things even messier. --Panic 18:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I change my request for this information to be removed, and ask that this page to be blocked from future edits but not removed, and that in the future all similar pages of the actual arbitration have all their talk pages blocked as to have users cross commenting the actual arbitration is nor useful, all users that want to participate should do that NOW, before the Arbitration gets to the next step. --Panic 19:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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Please, Please,  Please,  stop trying to fight on this page. I set up a formal debate format for this to be argued, and it is precisely these sorts of nested arguements that I was trying to avoid. This is part of what led to this whole fight in the first place. I have to partially agree with Panic at this point that this discussion has turned into an accusitory position, rather than talking about the format of this page or dealing with items like if this page needs to be closed or not. If you want to say your piece about this, add a section on the "project" side of this page. You don't need to expand this fight elsewhere. --Rob Horning 11:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not a party in the arbitration and I don't want to be -- you can check that I never edited the project page. I saw that you had said above that some links would be useful so I added some, although I did add my own comments on the links as I thought that might be helpful in understanding those links from a 2 years ago period. I don't want to say anything in the project page. -- Paddu 08:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)