Wikibooks:Requests for permissions/Keithonearth

+Editor
I'd like to have editor permission. I will not be granted it automatically because I am not very active on wikibooks, I spend most of my time over on wikipedia, where I go by the same name. Despite limited activity here, I don't want to feel like a 2nd rate contributor. See my User, Talk and Contribs over there for an idea of my work. Thanks! --64.180.148.245 (talk) 18:32, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you aware that you weren't logged in? :) Arlen22 (talk) 18:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Please post a confirmation of your request logged in and consideration can proceed. Additionally, anything on Wikipedia will not be taken into consideration; this is Wikibooks. -- Adrignola talk contribs 19:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

oops. :P yes, it was really me asking. --Keithonearth (talk) 20:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

With respect, I'm not sure I can see the point of giving you the Editor flag. You've made about 15 contributions this year and about 20 last year and you said you can't be autopromoted because you won't be active here. If you aren't going to contribute, why have the flag? You shouldn't feel like a "second rate contributor" - that's not the purpose of the flag. Unusual? Quite TalkQu 08:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't say I wasn't going to contribute. I said I'm not very active, I don't see myself being active enough here get to the 100 edits in a month min.  Of course I could just make a point to do that, intentionally make lots of little edits, but that seems like a poor way to go about it.  I've made a couple edits and my edits were overall accepted but not without minor rewording.  Now I don't feel the rewording was necessary or even positive, but in any discussion with the editor with an editor flag I will always be in the position of needing to get agreement from her/him, the opposite is not true.  I find this dispiriting.  I thought the point of flagged revisions was to stop vandalism and raise standards.  How is not giving me the flag going to get those goals?  Telling me how I should feel sure doesn't help.--Keithonearth (talk) 07:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with this vision, and in fact think that it is the root of many issues on Wikibooks. Flags whatever they are can't be used to get an upper hand in any discussion, All Wikibookians are and should be treated as equals.
 * Having said that I understand your view point as over the time I've encountered several instances were rank was used and even claimed to have a special level of trust even granting an higher level of importance to one's opinion. This types of arguments are false. A Wikibookian is recognized only on how he operates and for what he contributes to the project.
 * For this reason and because the project has been evolving to augment the experience level, availability and establishing a minimum of tasks to almost all flagged positions across the board (with very few and temporary exceptions), I don't think you should be promoted, the requirements are the same for all, put it simply it wouldn't be fair, unless you had a valid reason...
 * If you can manage to increase your contributions to get auto-promoted then do it, we all will appreciate the work, over time similar actions can even be used to establish an higher requirement to the flag.
 * As someone said above your status on Wikipedia doesn't have an influence to this project, and I assure you that the number of edits you make a day, week, month or even year doesn't have a direct relation as how the community rates your, you are only rated on the "quality/effort", not the number of your edits.
 * BeBold actions are common but by policy consensus is the default way to resolve any conflict, if a Wikibookian has a valid argument to object to any action and can't manage to resolve the dispute consensually (and have put an effort into it first), it is proper to block the change as a last resource, if it is seen as the most beneficial result to the issue and project. --Panic (talk) 07:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, the autopromotion criteria don't require 100 edits in one month; they require 100 edits, and at least 10 of those have to be recent (here). --Pi zero (talk) 13:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * "Registered users who have contributed at least 100 edits to 10 different pages over the course of a month...should be automatically promoted to editor" is the bit that confused me (at the link given above). Maybe it could be made more clear... I'm new the the Flagged Revisions thing and don't want to edit a page talking about policy either.--Keithonearth (talk) 07:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)