Wikibooks:Requests for permissions/Happy-melon

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Hi, I'm Happy-melon. I'm an admin on en.wiki and mediawiki.org, with over 20,000 edits there and elsewhere. I have, however, precisely three edits here (apart from this one) that weren't imported. You might wonder, therefore, why I should be elegible for any rights here. This request is essentially for exactly the same reason as I asked for, and received, 'editor' rights on de.wiki: I am heavily involved with the eternal discussions on en.wiki over implementing FlaggedRevs there, and I am always attempting to gather more data on the existing implementations and how they are coping with the challenges that FlaggedRevs produces. In addition, however, I am busy writing a help documentation for FlaggedRevs at mw:Help:Extension:FlaggedRevs, which is intended to be site-neutral. En.wikibooks is the only english wikimedia site that uses a multi-dimensiolnal review array: other sites such as test.wiki and de.wiki only have one set of flags, but you have three. As such, the user experience here is different to the experience elsewhere, and I want to ensure that that is reflected in the documentation with screenshots and explanations of how 2D scales differ from 1D scales. Of course, I can't really take screenshots of something that my user rights won't allow me to see :D. So I wish to have the rights to access the user interface, but I have no intention of using them if I get them. Happy-melon (talk) 21:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Happy-melon. You were right, this is a very unusual request. Personally, I can't see any problems with this, so long as you are careful with your edits (perhaps only reviewing pages set-up specifically for the documentation would be worth considering...) and are prepared to forfeit the rights once your documentation project is complete. I cannot speak for the other administrators but i myself have no problems with this request. Reece   (Talk)   (Contributions)  16:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Certainly, that would be fine; it's hardly a hardship to be expected to surrender rights that I have no intention of using publically :D Happy-melon (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Is it just screenshots of the interface you want, or do you also need to poke around and actually use the interface? &mdash; Mike.lifeguard &#124; talk 16:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not just screenshots, although this is a primary consideration. I also need to confirm that the interface really does do what my reading of the source code tells me it should do, and hence that I'm not writing complete rubbish over at mediawiki.org.  The reason I asked for "sichter" rights on de.wiki also applies: the statistics that I was able to gather from their restricted special pages were very helpful in the discussions on en.wiki; it would be very interesting to have parallel data from a project that uses a more complicated flag system. Happy-melon (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'm happy to grant this request. &mdash; Mike.lifeguard &#124; talk 18:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol comment vote.svg|15px]] Comment Happy-melon is requesting the tools but seems to indicate he is not motivated to get deeply involved on Wikibooks as a project, I also took the chance to quickly examine the user, he is a Wikibookian for some time now but without a log of active participation or involvement, his claim of 20000+ edits is correct but most of them happened in his userspace. I hope the needs of Happy-melon for information can be satisfied in another way, as I think Mike.lifeguard is inquiring about, probably in a given and monitored time frame, if permanently, considerations would have to be extended to any other Wikibookians on the same grounds. --Panic (talk) 04:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe you misunderstand. I have exactly five registered edits here, all to my userspace or to this page. I have over twenty thousand edits between en.wiki, mediawiki.org, meta, commons, and other places; I am an admin on the former two sites.  The majority of my edits are to en.wiki, where I have over 2,500 mainspace edits and five GA/FA credits; I also have almost 5,000 edits to the Template: namespace there. Happy-melon (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup my mistake I misread the SUL util, sorry, 20268 on Wikipedia.
 * In any case to contextualize my remark you should take a look into the last post on my talk page, the user has some concerns with the review tools that might interest you. The use of the tool on Wikibooks has fewer benefits that it might have in other projects. (It had a huge impact on how we check the validity of pages here for example)
 * The point the user raises also has made me ponder that Wikibooks is expected to have a bigger gap in contributors versus consumers than other projects, the content here is not as full spectrum as Wikipedia were it is easier to find something to contribute without a higher level of commitment (or was, the barrier to new users on the login procedure and contributions must have had an impact on that) the same is valid to Wiktictionary and other similar project. At best we should expect to be somewhere in between Wikisource and Wikimedia on the ration of (registered versus unregistered accesses), and as in Wikisource most of the users will never register, at least this is what I think is expectable. --Panic (talk) 19:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol comment vote.svg|15px]] Comment If screenshots aren't enough to help, an alternative could be to request that English Wikimedia Labs, which uses a copy of our database and has FlaggedRevs installed, be updated to use our current FlaggedRevs settings. There anyone can give themself the editor and reviewer flag to test FlaggedRevs out. --dark lama  13:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that modifying the configuration so extensively would be quite a complicated change, one that our overstretched devs would probably schedule for after the next blue moon... :D Happy-melon (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Support While indeed an unusual request, I fail to see much harm in it granting a clearly experienced contributor this tool. Good documentation would, furthermore, be of great value. Thanks for taking the time to cover these settings.
 * If Happy-melon figures out a way to abuse these tools (featuring all of his uncle Lenny's stubs on Austrian philately), we should be able to handle that. --Swift (talk) 18:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)