Wikibooks:Requests for permissions/Celestianpower

+Administrator
Hello. I joined Wikibooks about a year ago, but I only started contributing with any sort of regularity since December last year. Since then, I have written (and continue to write) the featured book Spanish from scratch (I archived what was there and started over); this shows my commitment to the project. I am a trusted admin on both Wikipedia and Wiktionary already, showing both that I know how to use the tools, and that I don't use them abusively or against policy.

At various points here, I have found myself needing admin tools, particularly deletion. This has mainly been for correcting my mistakes, fixing page moves that have gone wrong, deleting userspace sutff, etc. However, when travelling around the site (looking at RC, reading other books and whathaveyou), I've seen blatant vandalism (you know the sort: long lines of profanity, odd strings of characters, etc), reached for the delete button, only to find it not there. This is annoying, so that's why I'm here. I don't promise to be the greatest vandalfighter ever to live, but when I see vandalism, at least I'll be able to deal with it without bothering Herby et al.

I realise that most of you will barely have heard of me, but the tools would be ever-so-useful. Thanks and kind regards, Celestianpower 13:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Additional note: It was pointed out to me that I hadn't enabled my email address here. Sorry - it's now enabled.Bring on the emails :P. Regards, Celestianpower 14:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * and very happily indeed - quality worker who is an asset to Wikibooks -- Herby talk thyme 13:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * -- Certainly trustworthy, good contributor, and we can always use new RC patrollers with extra buttons. -- SB_Johnny | talk 13:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to restrain myself from making too many new admin nominations recently, but Celestianpower is one of those people that I have wanted to nominate. --Whiteknight (talk) 14:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * -- Az1568(Talk) 14:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I would like to see admins generally have more involvement with policy discussions but his record as an admin on wikipedia has been outstanding. -- xixtas talk 21:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * - You seem to live within your book only. You seem to be a very nice editor, but I don't like that you have essentially no experience outside Spanish. I feel that admin tasks need to span a little bit larger than single-book writers and you should spread out here some more, even just to discuss things and not develop content. We've had several users unfortunately become admins, work on their book (and their book only) for a couple months, then disappear. -within focus 22:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How come I didn't know about this RFA? Xania [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]]talk 21:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * --Panic 22:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussion
This has been a very quiet RFA, probably in part because no-one remembered to announce it on WB:BB (I'll remedy that shortly), and because it's that "post-exams" time of year when people have other things on their mind. I see 5 votes for, and one in opposition. My instinct is to promote Celestianpower tomorrow, but Matt's objection obviously needs to be taken seriously.

I'm going to do my best to confirm that "our" Celestianpower is the same one that is on Wikipedia. Assuming that I am successful, I offer the folowing 3 arguments:


 * 1) The only qualification that matters when we decide to give someone a few more buttons is whether we trust them to use them exclusively in a positive manner.
 * 2) Celestianpower has expressed an interest in RC patrolling, and while we're currently blessed with 2 very active admin RC patrollers, we shouldn't take advantage of them by denying more hands (more hands make lighter work).
 * 3) You wrote the following on my RFA: "I tend to almost always oppose new admins because so many don't stick around". I understand the sentiment, but now that we have a (well-established) policy for removing the tools from those who disappear, this is not such a big deal. We also have a very solid core of administrators who have been doing an outstanding job of keeping Wikibooks in good shape. Having a few extra buttons shouldn't require an oath or commitment: it's just a matter of trust. Celestianpower might disappear in a few months, or he/she (hopefully he/she will be kind enough to provide us with an appropriate pronoun) might become one of our most active community leaders. It doesn't really matter... all we need to establish is that we trust him/her not to use these tools abusively. If we're wrong, we grab a steward, but I don't think we're wrong very often.

All it is is a couple buttons. Every trusted user should have them. -- SB_Johnny | talk 20:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Trust is certainly an important issue here. That he/she edits on Wikipedia as an admin is somewhat helpful towards establishing trust, but I don't see much trust being established directly on Wikibooks. Many of us lasted for quite a while without admin tools when we were working within our own book realm. What I want to see first is the expression of some need for the tools, not just wanting them, which acts as a reinforcement for your desire to benefit the project and direct evidence for receiving further "power" on the site. We unfortunately can't grant individual tool rights which might be helpful here, but just because someone wants to delete some pages in Spanish doesn't mean I can trust him/her as a rational user blocker. I think a user needs to be (at least a little bit) well-rounded on the site before they get the whole sysop package. I think this promotes our sense of community and ensures quality of service. Noticing a discussion of Celestian's on another page, believe me that I don't expect him/her to be a policy writer; that's hard enough already unfortunately. I'd just like to see his/her signature on some pages outside the Spanish book. -within focus 22:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Identity (and gender) confirmed :). He has in fact said why he wants the tools: first to do administrative cleanup stuff in the Spanish book, and second to help with RC and vandalism partolling. And while it's true that many of us spent a lot more time on RC patrolling before we got the tools, I can tell you from experience that when you're used to patrolling with buttons, patrolling without buttons is a rather depressing experience (try patrolling the RC feeds on wikipedia for 10 minutes, and you'll see what I mean). Herbythyme and I have both gone through this on commons... we're both sysop there now and do our patrolling.
 * In any case, are you willing to consent with your objection duly noted?-- SB_Johnny | talk 13:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If he's who he is elsewhere, then that's fine I guess. I hope he stays active here and wish him well. -within focus 22:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Request closed-- with 7 in support, and one opposing but conceding, User:Celestianpower is now an administrator. -- SB_Johnny | talk 00:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

-Administrator
Celestianpower was elected 15 May 2007.
 * Has only ever done 9 admin actions

Based on VVV's adminstats tool, which counts admin actions, not edit (so I may have missed someone inactive). &mdash; Mike.lifeguard &#124; talk 21:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)