Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Wikitopia

Wikitopia
I know it's very early days for this book, but it appears to me as though it will inevitably fail either of both of our rules against original research and soapboxing, Jguk 07:22, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Subpages:
 * Wikitopia:Introduction
 * Wikitopia:Ideological Foundation
 * Wikitopia:Government Principles
 * Wikitopia:Implementing a Contract-Driven Direct Democracy
 * Wikitopia:Inception of the Wikitopia Movement


 * Delay Way too early to delete it, its 1 day old.  There's definitely the possibility of NPOV issues here that need to be looked at.  But I'd like to see how it develops before deleting it, it could go in directions in accordance with the rules of the site.  I don't see anything in the topic list thats inherently original research (the links between wikis and Free Software and the Cathedral/Bazaar ideas have been written about for years).  Definitely some loaded terms like manifesto to worry about though.  --Gabe Sechan 08:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Mentor, don't just lash out at the user. I would agree that this appears to be a new Wikimedia project proposal instead of a Wikibook, but you need to make sure that contributors to Wikibooks understand what sort of content is acceptable here.  I don't see any notes on the discussion page for this module, nor any effort to try and deal with the user who is contributing here.  --Rob Horning 17:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * When I saw this I was busy - and I'm not aware of any ready made boilerplate texts that can easily be placed on a talk page. If my actions seem a bit brusque, then I apologise. I was also conscious that if I did not in some way mark the page, I might forget about it, and risk this user spending a lot of time developing it, only to see it deleted wholesale at a later stage. There are swings and roundabouts, and it's not always clear where the balance should be struck. I would note that mentoring takes up an awful lot of time, which leaves a tendancy not to do it. Standard texts to use/adapt in situations like that would be useful, Jguk 17:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the enormous amount of work that you have been putting into Wikibooks lately. Special:Log is simply full of all of the activity that you have been doing, which is simply outstanding.  The point I'm trying to make is that sometimes we all need to stop for a moment and realize that we are dealing with real people (and real egos... I know), and not just a bunch of mindless robots.  BTW, take a look at User talk:Wikitopian and the response I got from not trying to push for a VfD or fight the user, but try to explain policy.  And there is broilerplate that you can do for new users with the    that does explain the basic set of Wikibooks policies without having to look up the links to all of the policy pages.  For myself, I try to add a more personal note onto the standard welcome message, but I understand if an admin feels overwhelmed and doesn't want to put too much into it.  It looks like this VfD can be taken down shortly as a resolved issue.  --Rob Horning 00:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. Just a quick note.  There is a difference between lashing out at the user and failing to be as helpful as one should be.  Jguk may be guilty of the second but not the first.  Indeed, he may not be particularly guilty of the second: the VfD went up when the only authors of Wikitopia's front page were IP addresses.  But still, leaving a note on the book's talk page and waiting a respectful week before putting up the VfD would have been better.  --JMRyan 19:18, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - the writer calls this an anarcho-capitalist project. This would violate NPOV, heavily, implying wikipedia is an "anarcho-capitalist utopia". Furthermore, it's a completely original idea, and would also violate OR. Infinity0 21:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems that this books, after a brief sojourn at meta, has gone to seedwiki. I wish Wikitopian all the best for it there. I have already deleted the subpages, and the main page should be deleted after a short while, Jguk 07:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Moved to another page. --Derbeth talk 09:10, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment From the new location at http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/wikitopia I read: "at 12:00 Pacific Standard Time seedwiki will go offline for about 2 hours so that we can transfer its data to a new server". --Kernigh 20:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --Kernigh 03:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Because everything moved to Seedwiki, Jguk deleted this at 24 March 2006 (except for main Wikitopia page, which is now a redirect). --Kernigh 01:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)