Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Wikijunior:Tree of the Truth

Wikijunior:Tree of the Truth
This is not a non-fiction book for children. Therefore it is not appropriate for Wikijunior. 1) It is at its core original fiction. 2) The parts that are not original fiction are not written for children to read, but instead are clearly directed at adults. 3) It includes languages other than English. 4) It does not appear to adhere to NPOV standards and instead takes the form of a personal essay on morality.

I hope that a good home can be found for this, but it seems to me that the book is outside of Wikijunior's scope. -- xixtas  talk 04:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Delete. I've looked at this myself a number of times and wondered both why it is here and why there are multiple language versions. I think it is out of scope of the project. QU TalkQu 09:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Symbol comment vote.svg Comment I'm convinced that this work (or one very similar) has already passed by a RFD, I have looked up the page history and it goes back to 2008 but I'm almost certain that something on similar lines as already been discussed here. I'll try to investigate the RDF archives. --Panic (talk) 10:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Couldn't fine anything on the archives but on Transwiki log there is a pending request for QuiteUnusual March 2009 and on User talk:Rudolf0100 efforts to come to a solutions have been made since January 2008...
 * Sadly there is some content there and the user has done a lot of work isn't there a project that can take all the material ? (Wikiversity - folklore ?)  --Panic (talk) 10:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Delete Fiction is out of scope. There are also serious NPOV and SOAP issues. --Swift (talk) 12:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Delete Hard to say anything against this book that hasn't already been pointed out. Suffice it to say that I agree with deletion reasons posted above. -- Adrignola talk contribs 13:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Symbol keep vote.svg Keep Hello, I'm the author of the "Bedtime Story". When I created this story, I have been told to put it in wikijunior and so I did. The intention of the book is clearly stated. It should give some inspiration for a bedtime story for kids and can be used easily for continuing stories. In case it has to be removed I kindly ask you for your offer where to put this content. As well, it was a lot of work to collect all the translations and I believe, that the benefit of this compilation is lost, when it is placed in each different separate language sections. I am against the deletion request. Rudolf0100 talk


 * The main problem on Wikijunior is that it is a work of fiction (that goes against how Wikibooks are defined) the other issue is that the example story has multiple translations.
 * One possible option would be for you to adapt it as a sub gender for merging with Creative Writing or a standalone book on how to write children's books (and move part of the focus from story telling, that could still be covered, to story writing) an adaptation of the introductory content and the utilization of example story (and future extensions), the translations would still be somewhat of a problem (but it could be integrated as part of the example), doing these subtle alterations on the scope would make it conform to Wikibooks requirements. --Panic (talk) 02:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Or even recreate it as more general book about Storytelling for Children (less work only a redirection of focus and change on the scope), keeping most of the content as a practical example... --Panic (talk) 02:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikijunior is for books for kids to read. Is it possible to change the book so that the discussion section and the author's forward are written for children to read themselves?
 * Wikijunior is in English, but we have sister projects in other languages and the translations could be hosted by those projects. Please remember that a primary focus of Wikibooks and Wikijunior is to collaboratively write books. Versions in languages other than English are unlikely to find contributors here. Having those languages hosted on other language Wikibooks doesn't mean that they cannot be linked directly from here. For the reader, the experience would be little different.
 * The third critical issue for me is that it is a personal essay on morality, and I do not believe that it adheres to WB:NPOV. I do not know if it can be rewritten to express a neutral point of view (or at least be brought closer).
 * If these three issues could be addressed my opinion would likely change to "keep". -- xixtas  talk 04:47, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Today I noticed the Children's Authors book (that at this point also doesn't seem to conform to What is Wikibooks, note that it was only created in 8 February 2010), given my proposal to reformat/restructure and modify the scope of the work under RFD, this is another project that could be merged together under an instructional book on writing for children.
 * I'll post something on the editor's talk to see if they are interested in working on a merge of the two with a instructional scope... --Panic (talk) 03:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I noticed the given hints for reformating/restructuring of this book; I'll care to do so, but it will need some time. Is there some ohter type of books inside wikibooks where this story fits in better than in wikijunior? Rudolf0100 talk


 * No, this book seems outside the scope of the English Wikibooks project. --Swift (talk) 07:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)