Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Towards A Better India

Towards A Better India
Transwiki WV if they want it, delete otherwise. Blatant POV and OR. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 11:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Symbol comment vote.svg Comment Can you expand on the POV or OR issue. I've taken a look and didn't noticed nothing obvious. --Panic (talk) 12:39, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The POV is actually very obvious. Take the first para of the intro.
 * India is a land of paradoxes and extremes. A country with the hottest of lands (around 50C in Rajasthan) and coldest of mountains (around -50C in Dras, Kashmir), the highest and lowest of terrain, the dries [sic] and wettest of surfaces, the richest and poorest of people, a nation with a hyper techno-savvy upper middle class co-existing with world's largest illiterate group. The nation has every mix of races (Negorids, Caucassian and Mongloid strains) and every religion (has the highest hindu population, second highest muslim population, one of the top 10 highest populations for Christianity and Buddism, besides being birth for Sikhism, Jainism, one of first acceptors of Judaism, Zorastranism ,Chirstianity and Bahaai).
 * Bolded are the POVs. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 13:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I see no issues in a land of paradoxes and extremes and every religion or every mix of races, the rest seems to be a simple and easily fixable use of superlatives. Considering the length of the content it should be tagged (if not willing to correct it) as having POV issues.  --Panic (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The OR is less obvious at first, but can be seen from later chapters. Consider this para:
 * “As long as you’re going to be thinking anyway, think big.” Donald Trump. The logical next step from Donald Trump's statement is that as long as you're free to choose, choose only to be the world's best. Not much point for a free country, for example, to aspire only to poverty alleviation. Let us choose to become the world's richest country, ever. That should at least fix the minor incovenience of poverty.
 * There is no need for bolding here, since the whole para is OR! Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 13:17, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know about the quote but seems within character, it also depends on the context it was said, and the logical conclusion the author makes seems non problematic to me. As it doesn't state that Donald Trump is defending that view. A small rewrite could simplify the rational. --Panic (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Symbol keep vote.svg Keep I don't see as an intentional or blatant POV and OR problem. Considering the length of the contribution it seems fixable- Deletion wouldn't be in our best interest. Tag the pages with POV issues. --Panic (talk) 13:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Panic, I have to disagree with you here. The title, 'Towards a Better India', already, to a certain extent, that POVs are not avoidable. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 14:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Anything can be improved since nothing is perfect, unless you get into religion. That is the intention I read in the title. In any case I think I see your objection but don't agree with it. I'm certain that you would agree that even a rename would be better than a deletion. --Panic (talk) 14:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep or transwiki to WV. I feel that if this were crisply written, with coverage of a wide variety of modern and historical views on how to bring about a "better India", it could absolutely be suitable for Wikibooks within its scope.  But as written now, with all of the hypotehticals and implied desire to discuss and find new solutions, it is appropriate for Wikiversity.  Sj (talk) 07:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Reading throught this there is a definite POV about which things are good for India, definitely better suited at WV. Thenub314  ( talk ) 08:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * or for POV in particular. I have to agree with Thenub314 about POV, and suggest that any article titled "Towards A Better *" is going to carry POV, necessarily as to what exactly is "better", probably as to how to get there. Not everyone agrees, or can agree, as to what makes something "better". Chazz (talk) 18:29, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any problem with this book. So i'd like to keep it, and to develop to make wiki better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.132.102.246 (discuss • contribs) 07:26, 29 September 2010