Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/The Manual of Crime (2)

The Manual of Crime
This was originally deleted without consensus. I listed it on VfU, and there still isn't consensus. I've restored the book pending an actual decision to delete it. Guanaco 00:07, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - I think it's unacceptable. This is no study of crime, it's how-to of braking the law. We should remember that anyone reads Wikibooks, also irresponsible people who might want to test tips provided by the book. Wikibooks is not for everything, if someone wants to write such book, he can find another wiki. Even if there is currently no policy against this book, Manual of Crime is just against philosophy of Wikibooks. --Derbeth talk 12:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - I am currently viewing the text. Please do not re-delete it until I make my decision at Votes for undeletion. --Kernigh 18:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Please vote at Requests for undeletion/The Manual of Crime. I want a consensus before we delete this. --Kernigh 18:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

''' The current restored version should be speedied. ''' This article is contrary to the mission of Wikibooks i.e. there is not an existing class that could use this as textbook. Trödel 18:50, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Non-speedy neutral. I have no opinion on whether this should be deleted, but I am strongly opposed to its speedy deletion. Guanaco 21:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Do not speedy. I want users to vote on this one. I have no idea why Trödel thinks that no existing class could use the Wikibook; criminals can use it (obviously), but persons interested in crime can also study it. I still favor its deletion (this book promotes crime) but this should not be a speedy deletion candidate. --Kernigh 00:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * If this book were posted as a Criminals and their behavior, etc. then I could buy the argument that there would be a class that could use this book. However, as you have stated it is a "How to". Maybe there is some info that could be saved - but I doubt it. I thought it should be speedied because there was a vote already and an admin took action based on that vote; however, I see the need to ratify that action since it has been, IMHO unwisely, challenged. Trödel 00:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment: I deleted this with consensus as I saw the votes stand. The proper course of action is to wait and act on the VfU -- the action to restore this should not have taken place and should be speedy-deleted in conformance with Deletion policy until the VfU is resolved. I won't take a vote here or speedy-delete this again, as I am involved in the previous action, but I strongly suggest another administrator do so. Dysprosia 00:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This is why I proposed speedying it in the first place - I thought the restore was premature since the VfU has not been resolved. But others have pointed out they would like to see the text to help decide how they would vote - which seems reasonable. That is why I changed my speedy request. Trödel 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete. According to the deletion policy, recreated deleted material is subject to being speedied. Let it go through VfU before it is undeleted. -- LV (Dark Mark) 14:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * comment. I think there is a pretty good concencus over at the VfU now. I only count 2 votes or so to undelete, and nearly a dozen votes to keep deleted. hopefully, we will be able to put this whole book behind us soon. -- 21:07, 30 November 2005 (UTC)