Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/StarCraft:Terran Units

StarCraft:Terran Units
I've nominated this page for deletion as it seems to be yet another game guide. It's not a new page so maybe it's been a candidate for deletion before. Xania 00:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - It's part of the StarCraft book. -- Prod-You 02:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - Hello, I've come back after a long vacation, so I'm not sure if policy has changed yet. IIRC, last time I was here, there was no real policy to be applied to Video Games, either for deletion or for keeping. The Starcraft book also seems to have some recent activity, and I would like to see at least the policy and a decent argument against the book before it gets transwikied or deleted, so we can explain it to the authors before they move. I understand that I may have missed the policy discussion (seems kinda de facto now to traswiki to StrategyWiki), but given the work on the Starcraft book on behalf of the authors looks good. The last thing I want here are anonymous users wondering where or why the Starcraft book gone. When a book is deleted, it doesn't save any space on the server anyway, admins can easily restore all the edits and such. So we aren't "wasting" wikibook resources at all. There is no rush, and we should not rush or overshadow the fact that a transwiki may effectivly kill a project if the authors don't want to move to the next site, relearn all the policies, and in some cases, deal with a license change. --Dragontamer 05:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just as a note, I've changed my vote to  Keep . --Dragontamer 18:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'll just copy/paste my responce to Rakuten06 here, under his post for my reasoning. --Dragontamer 18:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete and Move I know that it's part of StarCraft book but why not move to StrategyWiki like other strategy guide books, but you can come talk to me on my talk page to discuss this argument. Rakuten06 22:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is much more appropriate to discuss votes for deletion here &mdash; the VfD page.
 * Also, I think your approach is wrong. Rather than "why not move" I'd propose "why move". Surely the default isn't to move books, but to let them grow where they are. --Swift 12:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Transwiki then delete - Right now the StarCraft guide is somewhat sparse, and adding this book would definitely benefit strategywiki. These pages will probably be transwiki'd irrespective of the delete here or not, it's just a matter of when. However, depending on the policy, if there is nothing against having the guide here, then I see no reason to delete it.  -- Prod-You 03:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, if StrategyWiki had similar policies or was part of the Wikimedia project, I would agree with you. But it isn't. To edit anything on StrategyWiki, it requires people to register. Additionally, you are asking the authors to not only move the entire book, but to relearn the policies of a different wiki. I'm not saying that StrategyWiki is a bad thing, but it is a different place.


 * Ultimately, I feel that leaving Video game guides here is an excellent opportunity for Wikibooks in general. It allows contributors to edit their own projects, learning how to utilize the tools of Mediawiki markup, templates, and the such. Starcraft as a guide is also reasonably complete, not as good as some sites, but better than many of the wikibooks. It gives a reasonably deep view of strategy in Starcraft, going down to even build orders and cloning. The book is easy to follow as well.


 * Also, no official policy on wikibooks has been set against video game guides in general. Arguably, they are software manuals, which is allowed in policy.


 * Finally, Starcraft itself is one of those rare exceptional games that even if Video Games were removed from this site, I'd argue that Starcraft should stay. Starcraft does have a reasonably large following, and supposedly is very popular in Korea. (at least, this video would imply that). I'm not sure how old that video is, but it does show that Starcraft is pretty popular and can be an exception. And according to wikipedia, it is also reasonably popular, with 2 television channels in Korea dedicated to professional gameplay of Starcraft. --Dragontamer 18:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep I find Dragontamer's arguments valid. If the wikibook is educational and interesting it should stay. --Swift 12:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. There is no formal policy to be invoked when it comes to videogame guides. The guides that we have deleted so far are those guides which have transwikied to other hosts under their own power, and the forks here were no longer needed. As a general comment, the general concensus among the community now is that videogame guides are generally not wanted here, which explains why the guides that have been transwikied have been so readily deleted here. With that in mind, even if this guide is not deleted as a result of this particular discussion, discussions and policy in the future could easily jeopardize this book again (next time without the possibility of keeping it, regardless of the arguments in favor). I would recommend that this book find a better, more permanent home, but I won't vote to delete it now. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 02:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)