Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Sexual Health/Barrier Birth Control and Spermicide

Sexual Health/Barrier Birth Control and Spermicide
This has been tagged for speedy deletion. Although I am new to Wikibooks, I am currently working on the Wikipedia article this Wikibooks page was forked from.

Reading the WB:WIW page, it appears this article is a valid subject for Wikibooks:
 * It is instructional material that might be used in a class (a sex-ed class)
 * It is a fork from a Wikipedia article (Condom) that is linked within that article

There are plans on the Wikipedia Condom article to also make a Wikibook Use of female condoms, for the reasons described on the WB:WIW page. 75.21.116.197 01:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It is, at least at present, not part of a Wikibook - it is an encyclopaedia article. Is there an intention to write a Wikibook on sex education which this page could become a part of? We allow wikipedia content to be used in books, but we don't fork individual pages of wikipedia and keep them as individual pages, Jguk 07:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Having written the section in WB:WIW regarding forking content from Wikipedia, and having helped establish the precedent of allowing that to occur. Unless you are planning on making a very substantial book about the subject, please don't add content like this to Wikibooks.  Forking a Wikipedia article and turning it into a Wikibooks stub does us no good here, and simply is a way to carry on a content dispute that should stay on Wikipedia.  When some Wikipedia entries get very long (the original issue raised abou this was about a Wikipedia article of over 150K of text), it seems reasonable to move that content to Wikibooks before you cull out content dropping it down to 32K of text as the maximum Wikipedia article size.
 * Frankly, I see this more as not just something serious about writing a book about a subject, but an attempt to get shock value and try to see what limits exist just simply because you can push limits. The number of actual sex therapy experts involved with writing a book like is being described here would be quite small, and I don't see that writing a book about such an esoteric topic is a pressing need.  I highly doubt that most contributors to a Wikibook about this topic would offer any sort of authoritative or practical experience about the topic without the discussion getting very juvinile in nature.  --Rob Horning 13:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Again, I apologize for being new to Wikibooks, but I am not clear (and could not find in the Help section) on the Wikibooks definition of a book. All I've been able to find is 'instructional material,' which this article certainly is. Does the instructional material have to be very substantial?  How long is very substantial?
 * What length would a Wikipedia article need to be to qualify for forking to Wikibooks?


 * Reading the Archive on the Wikipedia condom page, the dispute was not over the pictures (which were inline linked). It was over an encyclopedia providing instructional material.
 * I am not aware of any reason for a sex therapist to give instruction on condom usage. This material seems like it would be an integral part of a comprehensive high school sex education class, however.  I would certainly hope that editors could offer high-quality, sourced information on birth control topics.  The Wikibooks article has existed for over a year, and does not seem to attract vandalism; I see no reason why that would change now.


 * Jguk's suggestion sounds reasonable - a book titled 'sex education' or 'birth control usage' or something more general might be better that a pamphlet-sized article only on condoms. What do others think? Lyrl 23:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have been, for some time, planning to create a new book on this very subject. My notes for such a new book can be found at User:Whiteknight/Sexual Health. However, I don't have the time, the energy, or the resources available to start such a project at the moment. If somebody would be willing to start this book, I would be able to lend some help (although i have alot on my plate at the moment), and this material would fit right in. If, however, nobody is interested in starting this project, I say we delete this artical. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 01:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This phamphlet was genuinely useful to me as I linked over to it from wikipedia. The information should have a home on wiki* somewhere: but both wikibooks and wikipedia are undesirable due to the very brief treatment on the one hand and the instructional nature on the other. The cost of keeping the page here in wikibooks is minimal organizational discomfort. Disregarding what I feel are pedantic complaints about where or in what book or under what category the condom use article should fall, I vote to keep the page on its informative merits. (That or start a wikinstructions.) 24.205.90.239 05:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What kind of activity is expected on a book? I'm working my way through the birth control topics on Wikipedia, and am certainly going to be covering (or have covered) many of the topics on Whiteknight's proposed table on contents.  It would be little extra effort to put the relevent information into a Wikibook.  So my contributions would be regular, but somewhat slow (as I would be simultaneously working on the Wikipedia articles).  And a few of the topics - such as male sexuality and rape - I would not feel comfortable covering at all. Lyrl 00:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Creating a new book isn't a big deal, creating a good title is the hardest part. I suggest "Sexual Health" or something similar. Once you create a main page, you would simply lay out the TOC for what you intend to include, and start creating pages as you have time. I wrote an informal guide to creating new books as well: User:Whiteknight/New_Book_Guide, although alot of this material centers around picking a good title, and creating a good outline (which I have already created, essentially). Anything that you dont fill in, or that you are uncomfortable talking about, other contributors will write eventually. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 00:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. This module has just been merged into the new book Sexual Health. Hopefully we can get more information on this topic, to make the book better. I know i'm going to be patrolling this one extra closely, to make sure everything stays mature and appropriate. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 00:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Kept. I will archive this discussion in 1 week. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 16:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)