Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Relationships/Sex

Relationships/Sex
Here it is http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Relationships/Sex, the most unneutral thing on wikimedia... Quote: Avoid promiscuous partners

Another Quote: Third Rule: Don't Share Bodily Fluids

Nevada's legal brothels have the following three rules:[12]

* No kissing on the mouth. * No fingers, tongues, etc. in vaginas or other orifices. * Use condoms, including for oral sex.

Quotes upon quotes of unneutral rules Wikisquared 12:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete[[User:Wikisquared|''
 * Speedy Keep -- rediculous. -- SB_Johnny | talk 14:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge to Sexual Health. This book is NPOV, but we could merge some of the useful material into a book that is NPOV. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 16:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean you think it's non-NPOV? Seems fairly common-sensical to me... though perhaps the use of the term "rule" is problematic? This is a how-to book (part of it specifically "how to avoid contracting STDs", and how-tos (or "practical guides", wink-wink) are by nature going to be a bit dictatorial.
 * I don't see any NPOV problems with this at all... this is simply cause-and-effect:
 * promiscuous people are more likely to have STDs, therefore if you want to avoid contracting STD, then you should avoid having sex with promiscuous people (though of course you might want to anyway)
 * STDs are transmitted through certain bodily fluids, therefore if you want to avoid contracting STDs, then you should take steps to avoid contact with bodily fluids.
 * I solidly stick to my original assertion that this VfD nomination is rediculous, and suspect it was made in bad faith (the nominator has a history of problems with WB:WIW and NPOV). -- SB_Johnny | talk 16:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't find much in this book that isn't an NPOV or Original Research violation. "What Women want in bed?", "How to be a better kisser", "email her a love poem", "Popular teenage boys want to have sex", the list goes on and on. Sure, there are citations, but that doesnt make something not an opinion, or NPOV, or verifiable information. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 03:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would rather label the majority as "editor's notion of common sense" rather than NPOV or OR. Much of it is culturally ("email her a love poem") or geographically ("In many states") biased, but this should make it warrant a cleanup tag, not anything of the order of delete or remove (except of select material). I think there is value in this book.
 * Regarding "What Women want in bed?": It cites sources of which there are plenty. The "The Twenty-Four-Hour Rule" and "Men's Talk and Women's Reputations" are not to be helped. I'm removing those. --Swift 08:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you are playing with semantics here. Whether you want to call this "biased" or "authors opinion" does not change the fact that these are NPOV violations. Also, whether or not individual users find value in a book doesnt determine whether a book is against policy or not. There is also no formulaic method for pleasing either a woman or a man. Any attempt to do so is a biased generality, and is harmful to that extent. Last thing we need is for wikibooks to be preaching "what women want", and by extension "what qualifies as normal among women". --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 01:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Possibly merge STD section with Sexual Health and refer to it from the current location. The rest of it is about relational issues (physical and emotional) and is well suited there. I'll concede that this latter part may be a little POV in that it may not be culture neutral, but I find that it strives for NPOV and does reference sources (no, I didn't look through these). There is a good basis here and worth keeping. --Swift 22:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Kept. Against my better judgement we are going to keep this one. There is no concensus to delete, although I still think that this material would benefit from a merger with Sexual Health. --Whiteknight (Discuss this) 14:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)