Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Neopets

Neopets
A game guide, not a textbook. I've kept a copy at Neopets. GarrettTalk 07:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete - Also remember to protect the page and use our standard "transwikied according to policy" looks. -within focus 00:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Now that it's been transferred to the other wiki, Delete the copy here - Video games, being the transient, and unproductive, things they are, rarely have a place in a library outside of books on video game programming or video game history. Much like it would be impractical for wikibooks to try to maintain an instruction manual book for every DVD or MP3 player, it's impractical to think that we can or should document the workings of the gameplay of every game out there. -Monk 19:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It is not the job of _us_ to maintain a wikibook or wikiproject. It is the job of the authors. If a specific group wants to create a wikibook on a subject that they like, then why not? It is great practice for people to create a game guide, as well as giving Wikibooks some publicity. For example, I personally would not have come to wikibooks as an active contributor if it weren't for my Maple Story book. I also disagree with your statement and reasoning. We do by policy allow software manuals on this site. We have guides for Linux, Windows, and tons of programming languages. We have manuals for specific software like Matlab, CSound, and even Gmail around here.


 * Additionally, what do we waste? Resources? These files are stored as pure text files and take up very little server space. I do realize that it is compressed, but you can download the entire Wikibooks database, images and complete histories included at 298.2 MB. Guideline does say 20x the size uncompressed, but even by today's standards, several Gigs is not much space indeed. Remember, thats the _entire_ Wikibooks project I'm talking about here. Even if the pages were deleted, they'd remain on the server anyway. So we wouldn't gain any resources either.


 * Leaving video game guides on this site offers little cost with lots of reward. I don't really see the issue with moving them. --Dragontamer 16:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * My concern is not so much that video games aren't academic subjects, or that they are specific to a given audience of those that use them, or that they are solely electronic in nature, or even that the audience or authorship of any given one of these books may be large or small. My concern is the amount of work it will create for others if dozen after dozen video game guides are created under a relativistic "everything's good" policy, only to have the videogames stop being developed at some point and to have us left with a bunch of meaningless content here. Not everyone finishes what they start and I'm concerned that we'll have dozens of people people who would otherwise spend their time more productively waste time checking on and cleaning up video game pages.


 * Video games are not just trivial. They're often transient. Open Source software with a wide base of developers, or a huge institutional software or web company, whose products have been known to stick around, provide justifiable material for time expenditure. On the same vein I wouldn't be adverse to a guide for the heavily popular video games out there. World of Warcraft or such. Those things are likely to be important in a few years just as they are important today. And if Neopets is shown to be a notable, widely used videogame that is likely to be maintained for the next few years, well, perhaps it's okay to have it here, because it's of some educational relevance. But just like I wouldn't advise the creation of a wikibook about some new software created by some nowhere startup new jersey IT company, I don't think we should clog this site up a hundred other books that will be more or less useless to people.


 * The "we have the space" argument doesn't phase me. The reason we have votes for deletion is because some books need to be deleted. Not necessarily because they contain innapropriate content or violate copyright, but because they contain no content or their content is useless. Books with no text, and books with useless text, should be deleted. They're a waste of time and space, and make wikibooks harder to organize. The problem with video game guides is that, for most of them, in a few years they'll be useless. They don't hold their use for long. Thus, it would be prudent to make sure that video game guides are created, or kept, in another wiki which has a more liberal policy as to what kinds of content it will uphold. -Monk 01:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with monk on these points, and I would also like to add that we aren't deleting these guides entirely, but instead they have been moving--of their own accord--to strategy wiki. Once the book is moved to the new location, it is beneficial for the book not to fork the contributing community. In other words, the book will benefit the most if it is in one location (not copied here and there), and if there is one dedicated group of people working on a single version of it. I dont think anybody here wants to blindly cut out all videogame guides, but at the same time, if this isn't the best home for them, they should be moved someplace better, where they will get the attention they deserve. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 04:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * When the book becomes useless, then delete it. Until then, there is no argument against a specific book. There are useless video game guides. There are also plenty of other useless Wikibooks around here. Nonetheless, I do think I should concede on this point; as this Neopets book is somewhat incomplete and can be easily considered a stub. However; if someone was willing to spend the time and effort to create a video game guide on Wikibooks; I don't think we should stop them. Basically, I feel that deleting a book because it is a Video Game is a dangerous path. Delete it because it is useless, delete it because it is a stub. But if there is a well written, well maintained, and overall well done Wikibook on a subject that deals with a specific Video Game, we should keep this rare gem on Wikibooks. --Dragontamer 01:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it is safe to say that all videogame guides that have been migrated to another site are going to be deleted. no sense listing them here on VfD if they dont need to be here. Just mark all of them in the future as speedy deletes, and we will take care of them. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 02:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree, kinda. Mark them as transwiki so that we don't scare off potential users. I still remember that case where books were being deleted too fast. Deletion is a strong word, especially to newbies, so I think it would do us well to refrain from using it. In this case, transwiki would not only describe the situation better, but keep some PR a little better. If you know what I mean. --Dragontamer 18:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A little semantic change can make a difference, I agree. However, this page is for the discussion of pages that are going to be deleted, and the pages of the videogame guides are going to be deleted from this project. Now, we can call the process "transwikiing", and we can post a link to the "new home of the book", but fact is it still gets deleted. Perhaps we need a new temple to mark books that are being transwikied in this way?--Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 03:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a "This page has moved to ..." message? Or "This page is moving to xxx project" ? --Dragontamer 02:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hold I'm surprised this hasn't been deleted yet, but I'm glad that I get to post a comment. Are we sure that deleting the wikibook is what the contributing community wants? Or are we just assuming we are being nice by deleting it? Do any in the interested (note interested not contributing) community know that this or the other exists? Do any in the contributing community know that the other exists? I think those are serious questions that need to be answered before we consider deleting this book with the intent to do good for the apparent community. Cheers, Iamunknown 18:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion. Circumstances surrounding are too unclear for me to vote delete. --Iamunknown 01:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've played Neopets before, but I'm no real expert. This book seems to have only one real complete section in it, which is Neopets/Stock market. The guide has been stalled for several months, and on that grounds, I guess you could consider this to be a stub. The Stock Market may be one important part of Neopets, but there is a lot more to Neopets than just the stock market. Enough for me to say that this book is a stub. --Dragontamer 02:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Delete - I used to play neopets a fair bit (though it's been a few years). The main "gameplay" was in the minigames, which this guide has very little information about. The main way to make money was Restocking (buy items from official "shops" resell them in personal stores) which has no info at all. The stock market section isn't that "big" in the game, and the guide here seems more like a general stock market thing than neopets specific (neopets might even make a nice addition to a real stock market book). -- Prod-You 06:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment reviewing this one in the hope of closing before its "long service award" the balance of votes seems to me to be delete. It appears to be a very patchy stub with no current interest.  Unless there is a real indication of value or interest very soon I will close as delete -- Herby  talk thyme 16:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)