Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/MagicJack

(The proposal advanced by Msaikens, as originally proposed, was targeting the page MagicJack/Support Resources/FAQ for the RfD, but the statement is not clear about the subject as it refers to the book. Since the project is greater than that single page and the page does not present any disallowed content in itself, it must be examined in the full context of the book). --Panic (discuss • contribs) 23:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

This "book" servers no true educational purpose. It is simply a product FAQ and guide. Wikibooks isn't the place for a company to post their FAQ's or guides. The company has their own comprehensive FAQ and ticket base on their website found at http://magicjack.com/faq/.


 * I presume this concerns the whole book rather than just the FAQ page. I'd be inclined to agree with the above comment though.--ЗAНИA [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]]talk 11:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The issue of this book has previously been discussed in Wikibooks:Reading_room/General. I support the RfD, I first examined the work in 30 December 2008 and found it too mercantile and not of an instructional nature, at the time I contacted the main editor and some minor corrections were made to the praises and criticism section, but the content itself has not improved beyond the simple exposition of a commercial product, that does not compare to other commercial user manuals that we normally would see as having educational value. I also do not see any other project that would welcome such content, delete. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 23:30, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * If the book diversified and looked at all VOIP devices, especially ones with relevance to the rest of the world then it could become more like a book.--ЗAНИA [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]]talk 23:59, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * ORIGINAL POST UPDATEI noticed there was a previous discussion. I still was not satisfied with the "book" being allowed to remain. If it were edited to include all VoIP services, I may change my mind. Though, I don't see this as likely. msaikens (msaikens -- contribs) 19:47 18 January 2012


 * There is a long tradition of such "books" on Wikibooks. An FAQ being available elsewhere is not an argument for not having it here. It doesn't matter who put it here as long as it was freely licensed - this isn't Wikipedia and we do not have a "conflict of interest" rule that prohibits companies creating books about their own products as long as they are useful (i.e., not adverts). Other examples of this type of book include:
 * nVidia
 * Internet over GPRS on BSNL South India Prepaid Connection and Nokia 3650 Phone
 * Render a SolidWorks Model in Maya
 * How to use a Motorola DVR


 * The MagicJack book is not an advert - it contains useful support information - and I see no valid reason to delete. QU TalkQu 12:39, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Most of the content of the project is advertisement and blatant product promotion almost all content is not educational, except for the FAQ and the How-to section. It also seems to fail to point out alternative products. I'm not a supporter of keeping FAQs (in that form as the main content of a project on Wikibooks, I see them as viable seeds to develop books (or textbooks) an exception would be those of the type Anarchist FAQ that do not seem created by questions raised (the normal way a FAQ is created) but by the need to offer answerers, this permits it to have a good structure and the flow needed for a textbook.
 * I've changed my position to neutral, but to me it is on the gray area of what should be acceptable here. It also interesting to note that no one involved with that project so far participated in the RfD...  --Panic (discuss • contribs) 10:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It'd be nice if someone could close this either way.QU TalkQu 23:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: if the page is kept, File:Magicjack v2 drop shadow 445.jpg may need a non-free use rationale.   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 16:18, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've tagged the image with nfur}} as it is fair use material. If the book is deleted then it'll be unused fair use and deleted [[User:QuiteUnusual|QU TalkQu 23:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I see there is a Voice over IP book for those suggesting a broader book about VoIP would be more appropriate. --dark lama  00:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I obviously support deletion since I nominated this book in the first place. But, just because there are other books that provide educational purposes on a product, doesn't mean this book is automatically exempt. Yes, it does contain useful support information, but I don't feel it is truly for an educational purpose. The general "language" of the book strongly favors the promotional and advertising aspect of authoring. --Msaikens (discuss • contribs) 13:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * ЗAНИA suggested something that looks at all VoIP devices would become more like a book. One solution might be to merge it with Voice over IP. --dark lama  15:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I find the Magicjack entry, in total, useful. and find info in it that is not easily replaceable, such as starting the mj without splash screen. the manufacturer doesn't provide any manual or detailed instructions. this entry provides this missing information.


 * I created a category to track all images which are used in that book. Category:MagicJack/Images The anti mail spam image should be kept local, the three photos can be transfered to commons, but moreover the 5 screenshots have major problems: a) the GUI of the Firefox isn't addressed (MPL/GPL/LGPL) and I highly doubt that (although there is nothing really copyrightable) we/Az2008 simply can release them under CC-BY-SA/GFDL. Regards, mabdul 17:32, 7 June 2012 (UTC)