Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Mac OS X Tiger Server

Mac OS X Tiger Server
In 19 December 2008 I merged the content of this stub (frozen since 2006) with the Mac OS X Tiger since the scopes were to similar to validate a distinct project. I requested a edit history merge and tagged it for deletion, since the acting admin thought that since there wasn't a previous merge tag the speedy delete was premature and reverted it, the edit history of the now replicated content does still need at least the edit merge, and as I don't see the point of keeping the content duplicated I propose this vfd discussion, to resolve any problem the original project creators may have to the deletion of the original page. --Panic (talk) 00:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] Delete after the edit history is merged. --Panic (talk) 00:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It states in Mac OS X Tiger that Mac OS X Tiger Server as a module is supposed to cover different material to Mac OS X Tiger. In fact it looks like the Server module is intended to be part of the overall book, rather than a different book. Unusual? Quite TalkQu 09:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You lost me there, the OS is the same but the version seems to be distinct (they share most of the software features, but server does provide some other functionalities), I merged it in accord to that last bit "the Server module is intended to be part of the overall book" by creating a section to add the subject (I did not haphazardly mix it with the rest of the content). --Panic (talk) 23:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That difference could be very well what was intended to make this book different from the other one. I think this one is intended to be aimed at server administration of servers running MacOS X Server, while the other one is probably intended more for End Users who are using MacOS on a personal computer. A MacOS X Server could be headless, while a MacOS X for everyday use would likely include a monitor, a mouse, and a keyboard. Personally I think both books need to be renamed to use MacOS X rather than Mac OS X, and Tiger removed from the name, since Tiger is too narrow a scope which would easily make both books dated quickly. --dark lama  00:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, sorry, lacking clarity. I meant it looked to me like the original creator expected the content to be distinct rather than a duplication and therefore perhaps they should remain distinct. I'm not arguing against merging or arguing for keeping them separate, it was just a comment on your comment the scopes were to similar to validate a distinct project. Unusual? Quite TalkQu 00:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, my action was only based on the content and activity on both books, I doubt that editors of Mac OS X Tiger Server will object to the merge and deletion, we are talking about a single active user in 2006 that created a stub (not big on real content), so if the VFD is not opposed I would also support the rename Darklama advances above, the Tiger bit is a bit unnecessary today, but it would better be something that adds to th subject something like "Understanding OS X" or "Using...", or something that clear the subject to other more distinct approaches, but preserves the subject for a category that can incorporate more books on OS X, even removing Mac should be ok, I think since the OS works on non Mac hardware, and other non computer Apple Hardware, for instance it would enable aggregation with Darwin, Apple TV and iPhone material, in any case this should be put on a back burner until the VFD ends and it's first discussed on the Mac OS X Tiger book. --Panic (talk) 00:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The book has a decent outline for planned chapters, other books of a similar nature have been kept in the past. Even if the Server book has no active contributors, the contributors of Mac OS X Tiger should still be asked to see if they think a merger makes sense.
 * FYI: Darwin is just a kernel and Macintosh is just the hardware. MacOS is the actual name of an Operating System, which consists of the Darwin kernel, libraries, packages, and other things that together are considered to make up the OS. MacOS and Macintosh are similarly named, but refer to different things. So removing Mac from the book names would not make sense. --dark lama  13:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol comment vote.svg|15px]] Comment I've just left a comment on Talk:Mac OS X Tiger asking for their insight. The book doesn't seem terribly active so it might not be seen for a while.
 * Personally, I think it would be useful to have different books. Desktop and server users will likely have very different technical background so a different style of presentation would be in order. That said, I have no problem with a book that contains subject matter for different audiences (we have some that do this well, already). --Swift (talk) 02:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a note that this content as said in the proposal is now replicated on another book, the VfD was only due process on the grounds similar to the comment you are making. I call your attention to this since it relates to the proposal about forks. --Panic (talk) 20:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Symbol comment vote.svg Comment A few months have past and it appears there has been no activity. I think its safe to conclude the other book is also inactive. So what do people think should be done considering both books are inactive? I suppose I can support both the merger and renaming the book to "Understanding MacOS X" in light of no recent activity. In the future if someone feels like a separate book is needed for MacOS X Server then they can start one again. If nobody objects, I'll do just that in a week since this discussion has been going on long enough already. --dark lama  10:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)