Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Hud and Hel

Hud and Hel
Fiction that was listed as a speedy delete that I think perhaps needs a little bit more community input on. I would lean toward deletion on this one myself as it is a work of fiction, but it certainly is provoking some thought with the comprehension exercises that are listed at the bottom of this page. Fiction is a useful tool to teach language skills to young children, and I'm wondering if perhaps we are being too zealous in deleting content like this out of hand. The problem here is that unlike Aarvard the Aardvark, this has not been simplified for comprehension by younger children, and the comprehension questions seem like something tacked onto the end. This is likely going to go, but at least I want to cause a few people to think about this topic first, with a clear example here. --Rob Horning 04:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

A short story attempt followed by a poor attempt at adding pedagogical value. Who is the main audience? (children 9 years old?) The questions seem a little more advance though? (Perhaps a grade 6 or grade 7?) Who is the main clientel? (teachers?) What are the measures used to elaborate a specific educational unit? Is the story to complicated for a the audience? Is it to long or is it to short? But again, the key issue I think would be, is this trully pedagogical material that may be used in a class room? These are some of the questions I think you will have to evaluate. Personnally I think there are many fictional child stories that might be used for teaching. Why this one? If I was to support this I would say because of the various memmorable names. The H sound is almost breathlike sounding and if students where to dictate this story it may be easy to remember. I would be very intrigued to see some music and rythm added to the story. Remember though, this must be a type of "method" of study. Currently I feel it is more of a story. It is for that reason I would say, if in 1 month or so, there are no significant improvements towards the teaching side, I would probably consider delete it. Right now however, keep. user:72.57.8.2I5 --72.57.8.2I5 02:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete I feel like I'm biting the newbie and being a bit of a heel after reading the author's plea at Talk: Hud and Hel, but this is a work of fiction and Wikibooks is not the right venue for fiction.  --JMRyan 20:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment - The user who uploaded this content decided to move it to his personal user space. Generally we give quite a bit more lattitude to content in the user space, but this is an unfortunate development.  It seems as though this is a tactic to avoid deletion, and something that by itself that should be strongly discouraged.  I'm not going to invoke other Wikimedia projects, but it does seem to violate WB:WIN at least so far as being a personal soapbox and blog instead.  Generally the user space should be things that are going to be useful eventually for the development of Wikibooks, such as an experimental book or trying new techniques, such as a personal sandbox that won't be messed with by every new user.  --Rob Horning 02:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)