Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Gross-out songs

Gross-out songs
This is not a textbook. It is a collection of source texts, i.e. song lyrics. Uncle G 03:22, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Beans, Beans, the Musical Fruit
 * The Black Cat Piddled
 * Comet
 * Flakey the Leper
 * Highway 64
 * How Dry I Am
 * Miss Suzy Had a Steambaot
 * Mother Made a Chocolate Cake
 * Three, Six, Nine
 * Walking Round with Leprosy All Day


 * Comment. Hoishand182 created this book at 25 December 2005. I have posted to User talk:Hoishand182, asking about the origin of this book, because I am not sure where or if to move these lyrics to another wiki. --Kernigh 03:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki??? Wikisource maybe? This isn't good on wikibooks, cause these songs are more like, origonal works. For example; you wouldn't put chrismas carols on wikibooks, you'd put them on wikisource. --Dragontamer 05:25, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Whatever happens, they should not be here. Gerard Foley 11:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Cancel VFD - As pointed out by Kernigh above, Project:Deletion policy is only a proposed policy, but it does say that modules must be at least one week old to be eligible for VFD. In this case, that means that this module is ineligible for VFD until next year. I propose cancelling this vote and keeping this module. Gerard Foley 11:54, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Technically, these modules are speedily deletable for being direct violations of Wikibooks is not a repository of source texts. I brought them here instead so that there would be an opportunity to discuss whether there was another way to dispose of them.  Please stop rules lawyering and discuss the modules at hand. Uncle G 14:59, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The way I understand it, speedy deletion candidates can be discussed at votes for deletion, even if the modules are less than one week old. --Kernigh 05:01, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikisource or Wikiquote I have recently recieved a reply from Hoishand182 at User talk:Kernigh. Hoishand182 said that the songs are records from memory. Wikibooks has two sister projects Wikisource and Wikiquote; all three wikis are at Wikimedia Foundation.
 * Wikisource: I looked at the Christmas carols that Dragontamer mentioned. Wikisource requires that all source texts be free. Thus we would need to verify that each gross-out song was either old enough to be public domain, or explicitly freed by the author. A song made in the last few decades, and not explicitly freed, has an implied copyright.
 * Wikiquote: As each of these songs is very short, we can probably quote the lyrics. Wikibooks "is not a repository of source texts", so we cannot have an entire book of only quotes. But Wikiquote, pages like Lyrics, contain almost only quotes. For longer songs, we can only quote part of the lyrics. Either way, we probably cannot include other information like guitar tabs, unless we have a free copyright license for the songs. --Kernigh 05:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I looked around when I made the nomination to see whether I could find evidence that these works were in the public domain, and thus suitable for Wikisource. Unfortunately, several of these songs are like "Ring around the rosey", occurring in multiple versions with no clear origin.  (The lyrics for the "beans song" that we have in the article here actually conflate three different versions of the song into one.)  And given that "Walking round with leprosy all day" and "Flakey the leper" are derived works of songs that are still themselves subject to copyright, "Winter Wonderland" and "Frosty the Snowman", it is quite probable that they are still subject to copyright themselves. Uncle G 07:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I personally have heard multiple versions of each of these songs, who is to say which one is the "real" version? for that matter, there are dozens of similar childish songs like this in the world, and i don't think that wikibooks needs to be a repository for all manner of childhood nonsense. Transwiki if an appropriate dumping site can be found, otherwise just delete it. -- 02:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have checked out each of the wikis and would be delighted to have them at Wikisource. Move each of my lyrics there. And Whiteknight, you didn't enjoy even just a laugh at Flakey the Leper? Lighten up a little. Hoishand182 07:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I considering moving them to Wikisource, but I did not. See copyright problems below. --Kernigh 22:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Copyrights for Gross-out songs
I (Kernigh) looked at http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hlc concerning copyrights in the United States. Wikisource:en:Project:Copyright requires that the songs be in the public domain. I think that we can only move the songs to Wikisource if those songs are public domain in the United States. You could probably do this if...


 * The song was published/registered before 1923. US copyright was 56 years at most back then, so it would have expired by 1 January 1978.
 * The song was published/registered but its last author died before 1937. I am not sure about this one, but for an author dead at 1936, the copyright would have lasted for 70 years until it became public domain 1 January 2006.
 * The song was published before 1978 but without a copyright notice or registration. In 1978, United States started automatic copyright.

Wikipedia says Frosty the Snowman appeared in 1950. So Flakey the Leper must have appeared in any year from 1950 to 2005 (when it was uploaded to Wikibooks). Without more evidence, I cannot apply the before-1923, before-1937, or before-1978 rules. --Kernigh 22:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Correct me if i am wrong, but if these songs are all technically under copyright, then should they be speedy deleted? --Whiteknight (talk) (current) 19:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking of quoting the first lines on some Wikiquote page. But no one has done this, so maybe we should simply delete them. --Kernigh 20:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I transwikied some quotes to Lyrics. (If the copyright was not so uncertain, I would have moved the lyrics to Wikisource.) We can delete the lyrics now. --Kernigh 20:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Deleted because the consensus was to delete or transwiki; also, the last comment to this section was more than one week ago. Archive this VFD at 19 February 2006. --Kernigh 06:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)