Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Fiddle

Fiddle
Reason: This page has little meaningful content. The only purpose for a do-it-yourselfer is to save money. Let me be the first to tell you that the violin is a noble instrument, a beautiful instrument I have played for several years. It is also extravagent. If you want to play at all and get any profit or enjoyment out of the instrument, you must be entirely devoted to it and be ready to face near-unbearable mental and physical pain (as with any instrument. Why do you think Robert Schumman had a mental breakdown?) to do so. Expect, for a decent instrument and lessons (the only real way to learn), to drain your savings account. Joecool94 9:42 PM Wednesday October 18, 2006 (GMT/UTC)


 * comment. But I would argue that even a student spending lots of money on lessons still could make use of a free online violin reference. Learning any kind of skill requires effort: Consider math, for instance. You won't learn math unless you get out a pencil and some paper, and actually start trudging through problems. This doesnt mean that we can't have a math book here on wikibooks. Now, I agree with you that this module is in lousy condition, but i dont think that we can delete something because the violin is too "noble" an instrument for people to try and learn for free. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 21:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Disagree strongly. Plenty of meaningful content. I wouldn't classify this as a "do-it-yourselfer". Even if it is, saving money is not the only reason for a "do-it-yourselfer". Plenty of people are able to learn musical instruments on their own accord and some become quite proficient. There is no basis for this VfD. --Swift 22:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep -- if it needs expanding, expand it! (Sheesh!) -- SB_Johnny | talk 23:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. Looks like a reasonable amount of content to me (an uninformed reader which is what I guess is who the article is aimed at?).  I'm sure more can be added  Herby  talk thyme 11:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. It at least needs cleanup. Noting is in this article that isn't in Violin 101. Lessons aren't expensive enough to spend all the extra work doing it youself. The people who would benefit from this article should consider classical guitar (which is also a noble instrument). If you have not played the violin, you will not understand this VFD. Period. Joecool94 7:02 PM Thursday, October 19, 2006
 * We don't delete things because they need work. If it needs cleanup, you're welcome to clean it up. If you don't, maybe someone else will. Wikibooks is not on a deadline, and if we deleted everything that needed work, no-one would have a chance to work on them. -- SB_Johnny | talk 20:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, wikibooks is about the creation of free learning material. It is firmly against our principles here to delete content simply because people should have to pay for it. People can learn to play the violin without having to invest in expensive lessons, and I can't imagine why we would want to discourage that. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 22:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. Definitely.  This page looks good even though it's not complete.  We all know that you need proper lessons to master the violin but this page is a good start and it gives potential violinists a good foundation for learning the instrument. Xania 11:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Have you tried to play without lessons. It is bad enough to play with lessons. Still, I see your point. - User:Joecool94 11:27 PM Friday, October 6, 2006
 * Don't forget that wikibooks are meant to be textbooks... if the book is seriously improved, a violin teacher might be able to use it for his students (it's always nice to have free books!) -- SB_Johnny | talk 23:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The people have spoken then. sigh BTW, thats not how you learn. - Joecool94 3:13 PM Saturday, October 21, 2006

Vote closed -- result was "keep". SB_Johnny | talk 16:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)