Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Cookbook:Magic Brownie

Cookbook:Magic Brownie

 * Keep  This has been nominated for deletion (not by me). Although the use of marijuana may be illegal in most places, it is still a recipe.  I wouldn't imagine Wiki would ban a book about gambling even though this is illegal in the USA.  I've since improved the recipe using the best ingredients. Xania 21:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - --Panic 21:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. Whether marajuana is illegal or not, you have to question whether this recipe is a good one or not. Here are the instructions:
 * Get some Marijuana, mix it in brownie batter with special batter and Voila! 
 * You would do better to have a recipe for brownies and say "you could extend this basic brownie recipe by mixing any of the following ingrediants into your batter before you bake: nuts, chocolate chips, marajuana, etc"
 * As it stands now, it's just a basic brownie recipe but with an "extra special ingredient". Also, I dont think that we should host things just because they aren't illegal in some places, it would be far more valuable to evaluate this module by asking ourselves if this is educational, and if people will benefit from this material. I submit to you that this module probably doesnt meet those criteria. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 22:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't edited/contributed to the cookbook, but if it is acceptable to add alterations to the principal recipe, the proposed addendum, as stated by Whiteknight would serve the same propose as a independent recipe, as for the legality or illegality of the recipe that is not the point (it clearly is legal under some states on the US and on special circumstances), even if it wasn't the cultural background and information on how to use exotic components is important and goes above the moral and public opinion on particular moment in history, lets say alcohol will become illegal once more, so we now must erase all recipes that are made with rum ?!?, gezz... (I could have complicate it even more, the Muslim community on Wikibooks requests any alcoholic recipe to be taken down as it causes offense to its religion,) if you wish to address such issues another policy must be created not as what is legal or illegal but what the Wikibooks community accepts (that will prove fruitless at least as votes and decisions rules are now). --Panic 22:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't say anything about deleting this module because it contains information dealing with marajuana. I don't think that we should necessarily sensor ourselves along particular legal guidlines. I am however saying that this module needs to be evaluated against the same inclusion criteria that every other module gets evaluated against. Is this module educational? I posit that it is not, the only difference between this recipe and any other brownie recipe is the inclusion of marajuana in the batter. Are we going to include a separate brownie recipe for every illicit substance that people feel like mixing with brownies? Are we going to have a page "Cookbook:Brownies with magical mushrooms", or "Cookbook:Brownies with LSD"? This is just a brownie recipe with the addition of a single ingredient, and that doesnt constitute a separate recipe, but instead a fork of pre-existing content. Also we need to ask ourselves whether this page serves as propaganda or advocacy (both prohibited under NPOV). If the only difference between this recipe and another brownie recipe is that this includes an extra ingredient (we can't ignore the fact that it is a controversial ingredient), then i would question whether this module was created for shock-value, or for advocacy (advertising marajuana, and trying to show that it is an acceptable baking ingredient, which it generally is not). I think that this module fails on all counts, and should be deleted. delete. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 22:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

In response to that Whiteknight maybe we should move it to a brownie page - I searched but couldn't find one? We could just list the magic brownies at the bottom of the brownie page as 'other ideas'. Xania 22:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Um, yeah. It's a pretty lame recipe as far as the "procedure" part goes, but might be improved by someone who actually knows how to make pot/hash brownies. I used to make them years ago, and 1g of pot wouldn't make a very magical brownie (more like one ounce!). Lemme go look through some old boxes of stuff I haven't looked at since college... -- SB_Johnny | talk 22:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I added the precise ingredients on there and 1g is what I would recommend (as it's not a legal drug potency will differ). Anyone making this would know that they can vary the amount of marijuana used. I'm going to expand it a little more I think but I think that such a thing shouldn't be against Wikibook policy. Xania 22:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. One more thing, since I doubt this page is going to be deleted (mine is the only vote cast in that direction), I am pretty much going to insist that this page includes a link to the Risk disclaimer. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 22:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment - In the WEB version of the book I don't see any problem with that link but how does it work on the printed version ? Will the disclaimer only appear on that particular page ? I think the full book should have the disclaimer, next to the GFDL or inside the authors page, imagine someone eating something with peanuts and being allergic to it. This should be addressed by the book community not us, and not enforced by us as such adding of the tag isn't enforceable under the approved policies (or is it ?) --Panic 22:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ideally, this risk disclaimer should probably transcluded entirely, but i thought that would unnecessarily overpower the page. People who are allergic to a particular ingredient, such as peanuts, either know that already, or will be in for a rude surprise. I have never seen a cookbook that included a legal disclaimer for people with allergies before, but I have also never seen a published cookbook with recipies including marajuana. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 23:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think a disclaimer would be inappropriate in print versions. Actually it's probably silly to even have it on the page... I seriously doubt that anyone in posession of marijuana in any particular juristiction would be unaware of its legal status. -- SB_Johnny | talk 23:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This all seems kinda silly. BTW, you're supposed to sauté the pot in oil, or preferably butter, as THC is not water soluble, before you add it to the brownie mix. Otherwise the heat has a tendency to break down the THC. This also makes your brownies taste a lot less like a bag of dry lawnmower clippings. The butter can then be added to just about anything. Toast, brownies, rice, etc. Though brownies do cover up the somewhat unpleasant taste of the butter. You'd use about a half ounce for box of brownies and pieces much bigger than 1 1/2"x 1 1/2" to 2"x2" brownies should be relegated to professionals. Should I simply edit the recipe? BTW, no disclaimer needed. There's nothing illegal about pot brownie recipes in any country that I'm aware of. It's possession, distribution, purchase, and sale of the pot that's a crime. -- Pete 03:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)