Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Beach Conflict

Beach Conflict
Someone's personal project and it seems he's using Wikibooks as a free webspace provider for his story. POV, etc. as other problems. -within focus 23:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete -- Excerpt: "You may use this story if you wish but give credit to me . If you do not I will use full extent of the law ! No part of this story is true in any way besides the invasion of Omaha beach . It was based on real events but characters are fiction." &larr; pretty much says it all. -- SB_Johnny  | talk 23:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete -- --Panic 00:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete actually looked at this one yesterday and wondered how liberal Wikibooks views were on such things Herby  talk thyme 16:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Let's give the author the chance to move it elsewhere first. Xania 16:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Deleted. There are a number of calls to speedily delete this one, and I think there is a distinct legal problem raised by this book and this author. I have deleted this book, but I would be willing to undelete this book if the author wanted to save a copy of it elsewhere. Also, I dont have the time today to do it, but somebody might want to send a message to the author of this book to let him know about the situation. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 19:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I would send him a message but I've no idea how to. Now that the page has been deleted it's not possible for me to see who created the page or is there some way to do this? Xania 20:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. The person who created this book was User:Niklo. I will send him a message now. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 14:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No legal problem here, the remarks of the author (as stated here) do comply with the expectations one puts on the GFDL, a better place to put that expectation into words was to mark a section of the book with the label Authors and add it there, this would ensure protection for GFDL to the information he seemed to wish to protect (his authorship). Any way the content of the text did not comply with Wikibooks policy for a valid book so deletion was in order. --Panic 17:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The tone there went a little beyond what you (Panic) mean by Authorship in GFDL (and certainly way beyond how I see it :), as you know). -- SB_Johnny | talk 17:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that if we intend on having things like Assume good faith (I would like to see someone try to enforce that one, as it deals with interpretations and assumed motivations), but it's good to hope for and what we must expect from others, so we must give less importance to what a person "may" think but to what he does and writes, and try to refrain to extract to much meaning from what in this case seemed some old soldier first steps on contributing to Wikibooks...--Panic 17:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree here on this point. When stuff like this comes up, it would be far better to direct this content and perhaps even a full transwiki to the Fiction Wikia (they've taken in other Wikibooks content in the past).  You have no idea just how this might turn out and it is better to befriend somebody who has a slight misunderstanding of the mission of Wikibooks than turn them into a vandal and enemy of the project.  --Rob Horning 16:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree pretty strongly with Panic on this point. The exact text of the warning from the page was:
 * You may use this story if you wish but give credit to me . If you do not I will use full extent of the law !
 * Legal threats are not, and never have been tolerated here on wikibooks, even though we don't have a formal policy on the matter. The fact that this user was making legal threats constitute a legal basis for the removal of this material. To protect our members from legal threats and possible legal attacks, this material had to be removed. And to Rob, as far as I am concerned, a person who is willing to use the "full extent of the law" to persecute another wikibookian is already an enemy of our project. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 17:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

reset ident. Disagree with me in witch part? That we must give users a chance and not jump to conclusions ?!? All he asked was for the rights the GFDL does provide him, he could have worded it better and in the proper place, heck you could even edit the wording if that was a problem, but I take no offense as I do expect that people are contributing in good faith and I think people should defend their rights and liberties and so agree with what I assume were his intentions...--Panic 17:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)