Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book

Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book
As the principle contributor to this book, it is with mixed feelings that I nominate it for deletion. Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book is actually a success story. It became so widely used by the Pathfinder Community, that it was officially adopted by the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventists Youth Ministries department, which is responsible for the Pathfinder organization. They invited me to host the book on their servers which has allowed me to expand it greatly by adding more of the Pathfinder curricula to it - the added curricula would be in violation of the NPOV policy here, as it promotes our religious doctrine. Development effort moved to the new location in 2012, though I have been performing low-level maintenance here at WB since then.

In addition to the NPOV problems that prevent me from hosting the entire corpus here, I have come to rely various extensions on the new site that are not available here, including language translation, and an improved DPL extension which enables us to create automated indices. Further, I am now able to include images of the honor insignia (i.e., merit badges) on the new site: copyright considerations would prevent me from doing so here.

All new material (including new honors) introduced since the new site was developed have been added only to the new site, but members of the Pathfinder Community still come here and are then unhappy that they can't find the new material. Since it would double my workload to maintain it at the same level in both locations, I request that it be removed from here. My hope is that by doing so, our users will find the new site. The WB community could help with that by allowing the replacement of the main page of the book with a link to the new site.

None of this would have been possible without Wikibooks, and I owe a deeply felt sense of gratitude to the community here. Thank you for considering my request. --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 00:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Much of the content can be salvaged into other works, especially into the Wikijunior namespace. I'm willing to work on this if no one wishes to salvage it in its current form... --Panic (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to migrating the material to other works. Some of it can be merged to other works (Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Arts and Crafts/Origami is one example).  I'm sure there are other examples as well. --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 12:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It has been two weeks since I made the request - can we either delete it or move it aside? --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 23:48, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What's the hurry? Abyssal (discuss • contribs) 01:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The work in question was unconstructively edited today. I would prefer to not spend my time maintaining it when it could be spent dismantling it.  Two weeks is plenty of time for discussion, and the longer it goes without action, the more of my time it demands. --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 01:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Would it be a good enough compromise to rename the book to something generic (e.g. "Content from AYHAB") and remove it from highly-visible places (e.g. featured books)?--Duplode (discuss • contribs) 19:39, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that would be OK. I'll start that as soon as I have a big chunk of time.  --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 19:53, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

I have a new proposal. Would it be OK to replace every page in this book with a note directing readers to its new home? The material would not be "deleted" per se, because the content would still be available in its history. Then anyone who would want to salvage parts of it into Wikijunior or merge portions into other works would be able to do so, and readers would know where to find the version that is being actively developed. I'd like some discussion on this so that I have community support and I won't get blocked or have my edits rolled back. Thanks. --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 23:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I object to the renaming as proposed as it does not serve any purpose for wikibooks or wikibooks users and even goes against best practices to book naming, the issue is the proposed name not the renaming in itself.
 * I also object to replacing or posting a note on every page, however I see no issue in having a note in the cover (this has been done before) and even a more detailed description of the issues as described here being part of the author´s page on the work.
 * I also note that no one is objecting to the deletion of the work, so I would like to request a clarification of what this discussion is now about if the proposal has changed or been removed, if so the place to discuss any structural change to the book is not the RfD area as it just makes things harder to follow.
 * In any case my request still stands, if the work is to be removed, I wish to salvage part of the content. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 18:06, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I prefer for it to be deleted. But after three weeks and not a single vote either up or down, I don't know where to go from here.  How long do we wait on such requests?  Is it sufficient for there to be no objections? --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 23:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone can close the precess, but since you are the proponent and I also made a request none of us should be doing that. I agree with you that 7 days from the last post should be enough, so taking the activity on the discussion from 5 August 2015 as the last contributive post I think we are again overdue to a closing, if no one does it in the next 2 days I will do it. Since I'll be editing the pages an administrative deletion is not required at present.
 * I urge you to post a notice on the cover to the new location and include in it that the license is not completely compatible (I don't know the details but it was implied that at least some images aren't) and if you wish to do something about the edit history of the pages do it now (it may be important for the license and copyrights of your derivative work at the new location).  --Panic (discuss • contribs) 00:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I imported the full history when I moved it to the new server. I'll add a link to the new location, explanation, and licensing compatibility to the main page this evening.  --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 12:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

The case for deleting this is very persuasive. In the absence of proper volunteer maintenance this book will become less and less useful to its intended audience. All information is freely available at the new in 2012 wiki site. Can an Admin please delete the book. JadeDragon (discuss • contribs) 01:27, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - the work is licensed under CC-BY-SA-3.0 which is irrevocable. It doesn't contain objectionable material, so there is no reason to delete it. 46.254.186.36 (discuss) 23:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No. There is no consensus to delete. Do not close the discussion and do not remove the content from the pages. If there is eventually a consensus to delete, an administrator will do it. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 08:39, 18 September 2015 (UTC)