Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals/2019/October

Raising rollback limit
Hi all, as raised at Reading room/Assistance, it seems that and I occasionally run into the rate limit when using rollback. As the vandals go page hopping instead of sticking to a single page, using mass rollback is the easiest way (for me) to revert their nonsense after they are blocked. However, the rate limit forbids us to rollback after a number of edits, probably 10 edits within a 1 minute time frame. As such, I would like to propose that the rollback limit be increased from 10/min to 60/min (1 rollback/second). If the concern is that some editors might misuse rollback with a bot (as mentioned by Mrjulesd), the second best option is granting the account creator right to a use at the discretion of the admin. 大 诺 史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 06:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I would support, but I took a look at the configs and you should already be at 90/min... --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 07:05, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless WB isn't using the default values, I believe that is for edits only, not rollback. 大 诺 史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 07:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

// Page edits 'edit' => [ 'ip' => [ 8, 60 ], 'newbie' => [ 8, 60 ], 'user' => [ 90, 60 ], ], ... ... ],  // Page rollbacks 'rollback' => [ 'user' => [ 10, 60 ], 'newbie' => [ 5, 120 ]
 * Well, I was wrong; the number I gave was for edits; the number for rollback is 100/min as a result of T228708 - where are you looking for those configs? I'm in InitialiseSettings --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 07:55, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * From mw:Manual:$wgRateLimits. 大 诺 史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 07:56, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That is the default for unconfigured mediawiki installations. On wmf sites, the defaults are --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 07:59, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

// For expanded rollback permissions... 'rollback' => [ 'user' => [ 100, 60 ], // T228708 'newbie' => [ 5, 120 ], ],
 * Then I can't seem to find any reason why rollback can't be used sometimes. 大 诺 史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 08:00, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * *Another approaches to solve rollbacks
 * If the rollback settings are limited for now, how about edit the configurations so that each IP or new user (not auto-confirmed user) edits are allowed only 1 edit per 1 minute. The root cause of this problem are due to new user/IP edits are abusing the current edit limits (which I believed are unlimited ). I believed this approach will greatly reduce the vandalism. As from what I seen so far, IP edits and also the new user edits are so far vandalizing the pages way more than constructive edits.
 * Also, I believed that there are no way that new user will need to edit multiple pages in one minute except perhaps for vandalism.Remember the monkey pics vandal, repeating contents vandal, blanking vandals, and now the nonsense content vandal....
 * Adding my two cents thought by Encik Tekateki (discuss • contribs) 08:12, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Will the notice message help you out? 大 诺 史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 08:22, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, probably --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 08:22, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Then if possible, slot an edit into User:大诺史/sandbox‎ 大 <font color="#FFC40C">诺 <font color="#00A550">史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 08:24, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


 * , seems to be "The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Administrators." + sometimes, the rollback button doesn't appear. <font color="#DC143C">大 <font color="#FFC40C">诺 <font color="#00A550">史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 08:38, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there any other user group listed? --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 08:42, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope. <font color="#DC143C">大 <font color="#FFC40C">诺 <font color="#00A550">史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 08:43, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Where you clicking rollback from a dif or the history page? --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 08:45, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * both + RC. <font color="#DC143C">大 <font color="#FFC40C">诺 <font color="#00A550">史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 08:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem is bigger than just rollback. See T234744 and parent task --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 09:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input . What I strongly suspect is that the $wgRateLimits hasn't been updated to the new WMF defaults per T228708, i.e. we are using here the old default values for $wgRateLimits as listed at mw:Manual:$wgRateLimits.
 * It very much feels like rollback is ratelimited here; and as only admins have the "noratelimit" right, it makes sense that admins are not affected by this "bug" (may actually be a feature) as suggested by their comments at the previous thread. To fix T234744 all that may be needed is an update to LocalSettings.php to bring $wgRateLimits to the new WMF defaults.
 * Hopefully a sys admin will opine at phabricator, for as far as I know LocalSettings.php can't be viewed on the web interface, so we have no way of knowing for sure that this is the cause of the problem. But I am fairly certain by my editing that some sort of rate limit is being applied to my use of rollback, as if I wait for a period of time the rollback becomes operational again. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 10:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Autopromotion
Based on my observation, the autopromotion might have some issues too. & should have been auto promoted by now. + I had to request reviewer rights from, and was manually promoted by  too.
 * However, I suspect that this has little to do with any software issues but rather having this criteria "5 or more edits are in recent changes at the time automatic reviewer promotion is checked." which delays the auto promotion due to the spam. <font color="#DC143C">大 <font color="#FFC40C">诺 <font color="#00A550">史 ( Talk/留言/토론/Discussion ) 14:01, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Well its not perfect how autopromotion works. But its not much of an issue as rights can be requested or given instead. Encik Tekateki & Hasley should request the right if they fulfill the criteria (I haven't checked myself) and want it. -- Jules  (Mrjulesd) 20:01, 6 October 2019 (UTC)