Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2024/April

Roblox
I want to make Roblox games for people to enjoy. 2600:4808:110:A600:F1E3:B964:F236:2B12 (discuss) 05:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada survey
Hi! Wikimedia Canada invites contributors living in Canada to take part in our 2024 Community Survey. The survey takes approximately five minutes to complete and closes on March 31, 2024. It is available in both French and English. To learn more, please visit the survey project page on Meta. --Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (discuss • contribs) 00:10, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA), Thanks for posting.
 * Can you tell us a little bit about this survey - what is the purpose of running it, for example. I folowed your link to META and it appears that one of the questions you ask there is whether one lives in Canada which seems to be a contradiction of what you say here. Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 14:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Ottawahitech, thank you for your reply. Wikimedia Canada is running this survey to understand what contributors in Canada want/need to be able to contribute to Wiki projects so we can ensure our programs are helpful. Once the survey results are analyzed, we (WMCA staff) will be using the data to help us tailor our programming (existing programs or new ones) to suit the needs of contributors in Canada. For example, people may reply saying they want scholarships to attend WikiConferences. We do already offer scholarships but maybe people aren't hearing about it through our current communication channels so we can then plan alternative methods of communicating our scholarship announcements.
 * The survey does include a question about whether or not one lives in Canada. We are sharing the survey on public forums (like this one) where anyone can see it but the focus of this particular survey is contributors in Canada. So, we added this question to ensure the responses we collect are from contributors in Canada. Could you clarify for me where you find the contradiction? I want to make sure the way we've been communicating about the survey is as clear as possible. Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (discuss • contribs) 17:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA): Great hearing back from you! It is not every day I get an answer to posts announcing WMF initiatives.
 * I have always wondered how the wikimedia movement arrived at the decision to have wikis separated by language and not by country. I find that many Canadian topics are poorly covered in the ENWP, FRWP, Simple,and ENWQ (not sure about FRWQ), and are more likely to face deletion. I don't know enough about other wmf-projects to form an opinion. I agree that a common language is a good way to group topics and volunteers, but I find that small countries, such as Canada, New Zealand, etc,  do not get the same kind of coverage.
 * Take for example, Nortel and one of its CEOs, John Roth. Nortel had humble beginning in Montreal, Quebec in 1895 as a Canadian company but became an International corporation after many name changes and ups and downs. In the early 2000s, under John Roth it was so big that it "accounted for more than a third of the total valuation of all companies listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange". However, by 2009 "Nortel filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the United States", and a hundred thousand employees lost their coveted jobs. In a few years Nortel and John Roth went from being the darlings of Canada to a big void. A similar story unfolded at JDSU and its CEO does not even have a page on ENWP.
 * Unfortunately, the sum of all human knowledge (or is it the sum of all American and British knowledge:-) does not explain how this came about, even though the events took place after 2001 when enwp was already in existence. In the chaos a wikipedia project w:wp:wikiproject Nortel was deleted (wikiprojects are rarely deleted at enwp), and the article about  John Roth "the most successful businessman in modern Canadian history" is in shambles (not even a date or place of birth or education info) and is rated LOW importance on wikiproject Canada. The wikidata item about Roth. is not much better.
 * Just wondering if this sort of thing is of concern to Wikimedia Canada? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 18:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Ottawahitech,
 * I may take a few days to reply but I'm always happy to answer questions! Also, just to clarify, the survey I announced here is from Wikimedia Canada, not WMF. Wikimedia Canada is an affiliate chapter but we are independent of the Foundation :)
 * Regarding the coverage of Canadian topics on Wikipedia, absolutely we want to see more Canadian topics on the sister projects. However, our mandate is more so to support editors, institutions, WikiProjects, events, etc that seek to increase the amount/quality of content on Canadian topics across the sister projects rather than determine what specific Canadian articles/content should be included or their priority. If you're interested in topics like the ones you mentioned in your example, I would encourage you to post on the Wikipedia WikiProject: Canada discussion board or the Wikipedia Village Pump to see if there are others who may share your interests. Alternatively, if you ever want to organize a wiki-related event to boost the coverage of Canadian topics, leave a message on my talk page and we can chat more.
 * P.S. Thanks for the ping about Wikimania scholarships. I'll take a look! Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (discuss • contribs) 22:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA)
 * Re: "I'm always happy to answer questions! Also, just to clarify, the survey I announced here is from Wikimedia Canada, not WMF. Wikimedia Canada is an affiliate chapter but we are independent of the Foundation :)"'
 * I wonder if you would take the time to explain to the ignorants around here (I am talking about me) what the difference is between WMF and WMDE and WMCA. I am asking because I saw a notice on Wikdata "online event Wikidata Leveling Up Days" advertised by someone who uses (WMDE) in their userID. I am assuming they are employees/contractors of Wikimedia Deutschland and not the WMF? Is the WMF the ultimate employer of employees of the different chapters?
 * Note: I hope you and others here do not mind my hijacking of this thread to ask some questions that are only indirectly related to wikibooks? As someone who views themselves as a member of The Wikimedia movement I can't think of a better place to discuss this (?): Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes of course! The structure of the organizational side of the movement can be very confusing so it's a fair question. Wikimedia Canada (WMCA) and Wikimedia Deutschland (WMDE) are both affiliate chapters of the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) meaning they are independent non-profit organizations that represent the Wikimedia movement on a regional scale, usually specific to a single country. As an an affiliate chapter we (WMCA) have a name that links us to the movement (Wikimedia Canada) and we are able to use Wikimedia trademarks for our work, to fundraise, or for publicity. Affiliate chapters are also able to apply for funding from WMF. However, we are independent of the WMF in the sense that we are not governed, owned or operated by the Wikimedia Foundation. ie) the Foundation doesn't really affect our day-to-day operations or hiring. So yes, any time you see a user with WMCA or WMDE or WMUK, etc in their user name, they are most likely an employee, contractor, or volunteer for that affiliate chapter (like me!). Employees of the Foundation will have WMF in their user name.
 * There are also other types of Wikimedia movement affiliates, including user-groups, thematic organizations, and hubs. To my knowledge, hubs are a newer addition (or will be a new addition if the new Movement Charter is ratified later this year) to the Wikimedia movement affiliates model and there are two types: Regional and thematic. Regional hubs support volunteer communities across multiple regions, like the Central and Eastern European hub (CEE hub) or the Eastern, Southeast and the Pacific regional cooperation (ESEAP Hub), while thematic hubs support volunteer communities that focus on specific themes, like language.
 * Does that help clarify things for you? There is an FAQ page for Wikimedia movement affiliates as well, in case there are things you're still curious about. Have a good weekend :) Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (discuss • contribs) 22:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Just happened to see that the subject of wikimedia scholarships to attend WikiConferences is actively being discussed on w:User_talk:Jimbo_Wales. Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 16:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA), thank you for promising a more elaborate response later. I, and I hope others, are keenly interested in hearing the perspective of someone who is involved in a Wikimedia-affiliate.
 * Re: "our mandate is more so to support editors, institutions, WikiProjects, events, etc that seek to increase the amount/quality of content"
 * Do you believe that in order to support "editors" (I call them users/contributors), the individuals running the affiliates have to have at least a basic understanding of the issues that such contributors face? Many / most(?) contributors do not participate in real life events (such a wikiMania), or even local events organized by their own wikimedia affiliate. Most participate online only in one wmf-project, such as the English Wikipedia (enwp).
 * In my experience, you are more likely to encounter multi-wiki-contributors on the smaller wikis, such as this one (the English Wikibooks). I have not been here Long enough (I just started participating here more actively in the last few weeks) to figure out if regular (non-admin) contributors also participate in other wmf-wikis. Maybe someone else can provide their perspective? I myself have been around wikiland since 2007, the first 10 years or so, almost exclusively on enwp where I was rather active until I was indefinitely blocked. I then moved on to Simple where I was indef blocked in 2020, and META where I was infinitely blocked also in 2020. Since then I have participated actively in some of the smaller wikis managing, barely, to stay out of trouble.
 * If you, or anyone else here, are interested in the experience of other members of the movement who have been shunned by this community check out this current Global Ban META-RFC. Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 19:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC) Updated: Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 00:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Ottawahitech,
 * Apologies for the delayed response. I see where you're coming from. The survey I announced in my initial post is a way for WMCA to ensure our basic understanding of the needs of contibutors in Canada is up to date. Every contributor will engage with local events differently, if at all, and that's okay. If you are based in Canada and you feel there is a way WMCA can support your activities as a contributor aside from local events, I invite you to take the survey if you haven't already. It is open until March 31, 2024. Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (discuss • contribs) 22:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the delayed response. I see where you're coming from. The survey I announced in my initial post is a way for WMCA to ensure our basic understanding of the needs of contibutors in Canada is up to date. Every contributor will engage with local events differently, if at all, and that's okay. If you are based in Canada and you feel there is a way WMCA can support your activities as a contributor aside from local events, I invite you to take the survey if you haven't already. It is open until March 31, 2024. Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (discuss • contribs) 22:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Books New Subject
Hello everyone I am Nexovia I am a Plant Science student and as a student of Plant Science I officially want to create a new book in the WikiBooks so I would represent this idea to everyone here and involve everyone interested here and I have seen that there is no any relaible source for field of Plant Science so I could help contributing with help of experienced ones. Nexovia (discuss • contribs) 01:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Nexovia! Have you seen Plant Sciences? You could work on fleshing out that existing book. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ohh! There is much work to do in this field so I need someone for help in this field is there anyone you know can you give contact of someone. Nexovia (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Cookbooks Project
Hello Community, Please we are preparing to launch a WikiBooks project and we did love to here your comments and advice on this project. As this will help us with the planning and execution of this project. Your suggestions and advice will be greatly need. Please find the document here.

Thank you. Joris Darlington Quarshie (discuss • contribs) 08:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * In addition, we would will like to use this project to create a communication channel on telegram in other to help grow the community since there are a lot of Wikimedians on telegram. If there is any admin on telegram that will like to join the telegram channel we create. However, if there is no admin on telegram and the admins will like to suggest another communication platform we are open to explore. Joris Darlington Quarshie (discuss • contribs) 08:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Joris Darlington Quarshie. Thanks for the heads-up! I looked at the document you linked, but what exactly is this project and its origin? I have never heard of it before, and I have been active in the cookbook here for two years. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello @Kittycataclysm thank you very much for making the time and effort to review this project. First of all, this project seeks to train more Wikimedians especially in Africa and other underrepresented regions to contribute to Cookbooks on Wikibooks. Since we discovered that there is a huge gap of contributors from Africa and underrepresented regions contributing to Cookbooks on Wikibooks. So we are looking forward to run this project in other to bridge the gap.
 * Also, this project currently in the initiation stage, which we are looking forward to implementing it soon. So there hasn't been any activity or community outreach about this project before. That is why you haven't heard of it before.
 * In addition, we discovered that most Wikimedia contributors from underrepresented regions are mostly active in Wikimedia Telegram groups. So we are also looking in establishing a communication channel on Telegram to help grow a community of cookbooks and wikibooks contributors. But we did like to collaborate with at least one administrator to observe, advice and provide guidance to new contributors as we cannot do everything on our own. Joris Darlington Quarshie (discuss • contribs) 01:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * how would you make sure that the participants follow Wikibooks policies (such as making an effort to follow formatting guidelines, not plagiarising etc)? I recall a different project from this region (on Wikidata) having significant issues in that area which led to an admin there complaining on Meta. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair point! That also reminds me that we've had these same issues here in the cookbook—for the last two summers, it seems like there has been a recipe-contributing contest of some kind. Unfortunately, this led to a lot of people contributing poor-quality recipes and copyrighted content, and I had to delete material and block users as a result. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 20:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello @Leaderboard and @Kittycataclysm we will make sure to train them on all wikibooks policies including formatting,guidelines, copyright attribution and etc. We will also refer the help page.
 * Also, while in the process of implementing this project we will come up with a growth-pilot program to train contributors on the above. Here is an example of the growth pilot program:
 * Africa Growth Pilot/Live Tutorials on Core Policies
 * We know the issue at hand that is why we are trying our best to eradicate such issues. If we can work together with some of the administrators i believe this issue will be minimized.
 * In all i believe that through training programs informing them that if they do not know make quality contributions this will not only be deleted but they will be blocked in addition. This will keep them on their toes.
 * Thank you very much for highlighting on these issues. Joris Darlington Quarshie (discuss • contribs) 08:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Troubleshooting shelves template
Hello! I've noticed that Template:Shelves seems to interact negatively with the visual editor: the template "object" sort of "eats" the text immediately before the template is called. This makes it impossible to interact with the "eaten" text in the visual editor. See, for example, Introduction to Inorganic Chemistry. I'm wondering if it has to do with Module:TScope, but this is getting beyond my abilities to diagnose. Would love some help here. Thanks! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It seems like I can see that page properly - are you seeing missing text when using VisualEditor? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Leaderboard! So, I can indeed see the text—it doesn't disappear. In this specific example, you can see the problem when trying to use the visual editor to edit the text under the Chapter 12 heading. If you try to click on any of the text below the heading, you'll notice that there's an overlay element that makes it impossible to interact with the text. Does that help clarify the issue? Thanks! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK I see. Unfortunately it's one of Pi zero's creations, who hated VisualEditor. A further look will be required, because on the face I don't see why it should interfere. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Visual editing project pages
Is there a reason visual editing is not enabled for project pages (e.g. Wikibooks namespace)? I 1) have a harder time using the source editor and 2) tend to make more, smaller edits when using it, which I know can be annoying. Thanks! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Leaderboard @MarcGarver would either of you happen to know? Thanks! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not enabled across Wikimedia as far as I'll aware - I think you'll need to check on Phabricator to check if a configuration change is possible. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe it is possible, with some limitations. There was a discussion here requesting it a year ago, which concluded "As long as there is community consensus (e.g., a discussion on that wiki) and no technical problems (e.g., the namespace does not contain huge pages like w:en:WP:ANI), then the team is happy to honor such requests". MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 08:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I need help
At first as a non-native speaker to find a place, where I can ask my questions. I miss a page like b:de:Wikibooks:Ich brauche Hilfe. I'm not able to scan an English homepage with an unknown structure and unknown vocabulary to find the needle in the haystack.

Anyhow I need help to insert a functioning navigation to guitar/Campfire Diploma.  and   don't work, and I have no idea how to prepare everything so, that it works. After a lot of try and error I have no idea which navigation is the best. I tried   but for mobile user this navi is hidden. (compare : Template_talk:Navbox/doc) For the lessons I use   but this is very cumbersome and error-prone for song examples that are constantly being expanded. I have a lack of advice, although my request for some support is not exactly inconspicuous.

a navbox should be visible here

Greetings from the German Wikibooks team --Mjchael (discuss • contribs) 01:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Willkommen. Meine Deutsche ist nicht gut, so I will have to use English. :/ Do you need the navigation to appear on mobile browsers? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Justin! Thanks for trying. My English is for an everyday conversation quite good. Good enough to watch Dr. Who in original or following your answers. But the content and the vocabulary on your English help pages is a completely different matter. And yes, for now, it would help me if the  shown above would appear in the mobile view. These would help all readers a lot. Of course, I am also happy to accept any advice on how I could do things better. --Mjchael (discuss • contribs) 02:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In that case, you may want to manually make a navbox that doesn't use navbox, as that is specifically marked up to not display on mobile browsers. Another option is to have little headers and footers that just navigate to the next/previous subpage. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I was almost afraid it would happen. At some point in the future let a programmer set a parameter to these template. Greetings --Mjchael (discuss • contribs) 02:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Scientific writing guide (student thesis edition)
Dear Community,

I'm only slowly grasping the scope of Wikibooks, Wikiversity & Co., and have a question (quite a few actually, but keeping it to one for now):

Would Wikibooks be a good place to compile a "How To" guide for scientific writing, to be used and expanded by Bachelor and Master students and supervisors alike?

I have long thought about how to best construct such a project to have it accessible, and I now think Wikibooks might be the place. Does something similar exist already?

(If we extend the circle of questions a bit, I'd love to get in contact with an experienced user who has an overview about where to Wikiversity, Wikibooks and Co individually shine, since for me some lines are still blury, and I don't want to disrupt established workflows that I am unaware of.)

Thanks alot and best regards, TimBorgNetzWerk (discuss • contribs) 09:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I think a guide to how to write properly would be a real asset and perfectly in line with the mission here and I do not know of any existing content like that. If you are having trouble structuring it like a book, but instead have some essays, some exercises, maybe some interactive material where someone could post writing and others could edit it, etc., that's more of a Wikiversity thing. Wikiversity spun out of Wikibooks as a place to host material that is general learning modules of some kind but not strictly like a book or guide that is a more-or-less static work (and can be printed or used otherwise used offline). —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 11:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Koavf, greatly appreciated, also & especially the additional insights. I think for this case, a book would really be the best basis. How & where would I best start? a) in my User:TimBorgNetzWerk/sandbox, or b) follow Using_Wikibooks/Starting_A_New_Wikibook -> Help:Pages -> start writing there?
 * Best and thanks, TimBorgNetzWerk (discuss • contribs) 12:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I would recommend using your sandbox to start some outlines, drafts, etc. Without having looked at your global edits, it seems like you're a new user and I'm overjoyed at that, but starting out diving into writing a textbook is the deep end. :/ Also, I will state that unlike, e.g. Wikipedia, where most everything is kinda/sorta edited by everyone, in reality (but not in theory or principle), books here tend to be personal passion projects and if Person A wants to write a book, it's likely that he will do 90%+ of the heavy lifting. There are just too few editors here and the topics end up being too niche. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright, Sandbox it is. I've already outlined a LaTeX template, so I'll be building on top of that. Since I'm currently a PhD student and aim to walk down the academia lane for the forseable future, being the "sole editor" is not much of a hurdle - I'll have to formulate each and every advice once already, and together with the students we should eventually have more and more structured knowledge about the do's and dont's. We've also founded an NPO for those kinds of projects, so we can coordinate the resources to what little topics we can cover and where to join if one might be interested.
 * Right now we're more at the mid-point of an ongoing 2-year project, worst case I'd have build it from the ground on an isolated MediaWiki instance, but now that I grasp Wikibooks & Wikiversity better and better, I think building this resource here will be much more productive.
 * All in all (I've noticed I started every sentence with "so", so... changed that.) thanks for the starting points, will read up and get working asap. Also, for a lack of a thumbs-up-feature, assume every message I don't reply to as "read with thumbs up" :D TimBorgNetzWerk (discuss • contribs) 12:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, if you can finish a thesis (congrats!), then you have the discipline and project management skills to write a book here. And if you can actually end up getting academics to write clearly, you'll be doing God's work. I'm not necessarily a bullesye on who is an ideal contributor, but please let me know if
 * Ican help you. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that this is within scope as a guide and that it could be very helpful! I also second the suggestion that you start building and workshopping in your sandbox. Reach out if you need any help! Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

"recipes as out of scope [on ENWP], but there are some very good ones on Wikibooks"
I found this quote (and others about wikibooks) in the ENWP SignPost. It appears that at least a few wikipedians are aware of some of the good work done here.

Some other comments:
 * "I think cooking would in theory be covered by WikiBooks"
 * "why don't we encourage people to write how to on Wikibooks, and then link them from the Wikipedia page?"

What do others think? Do we want to have more eyes on us? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 19:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Certainly. In practice, the way that Wikibooks works is like our daughter project Wikiversity, which is that in principle, editors can collaborate together on things, but in practice, books and learning modules are passion projects (or platforms for crankery, depending) that are written by one person. Having actual collaboration here on more work would be a good thing. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * re:"Having actual collaboration here on more work would be a good thing"
 * I agree. I just discovered Category:WikiProjects which was originally intended for the purpose of coordinating content building by topic, I think. Has anyone been here long enough to shed light on what went wrong and what went right with the idea of creating wikiprojects on wikibooks? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 18:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Very hi overhead to write a book versus an encyclopedia article. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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WB Notability
I want to write a book named "Infraction of Vienna Convention: The Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy". Does it fulfill notability criteria of Wikibooks? Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 21:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure it's in-scope. From the title alone, it sounds more like a thinkpiece or article rather than an educational/instructional book. What's your proposed outline and chapter breakdown? —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't even consider adding such a book here unless you also intend to discuss the other side of the argument. Wikibooks is not the place for one-sided politics.--Xania [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] talk 05:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It would fall foul of original research rather than notability, plus the title indicates it is not intended to be a textbook. A book that was about various infractions of the Vienna Conventions over the last 50 years might be in scope, a one pager on one incident wouldn't be. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 12:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In 2017, when I asked here about notability, a user said that notability policy is specific to Wikipedia and in Wikibooks we have our own Inclusion Criteria. In 2018, the answer to me was that different Wikibooks in different languages have different inclusion criteria adding that neutrality and original research parameters should be considered. Now you give me different opinions: you say that a thinkpievce or article doesn't fit WB but we have already a book here like Professionalism which surveys cases and ideas in professional ethics. The parameter of let's call it "instructionability" is hard to define when it comes to books like Computational Creativity. Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 18:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Officially, our policy is that "non-fictional books that aren't instructional aren't allowed on Wikibooks", but you're right that the "instructibility" criterion can be somewhat of a grey area. For whatever it's worth, I'm honestly not convinced that Professionalism falls within our scope, and I'm not sure that Computational Creativity is great either, especially since it's poorly developed. One relevant aspect could be temporality—very recent global events alone strike me as more suitable for Wikinews, while an in-depth book about the topic over time seems more suitable here. Either way, I would love to know what your proposed book outline would be and how you believe it to be instructional—that will help us assess it properly. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 20:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "Infraction of Vienna Convention: The Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy" is not suitable for "Wikinews" because it aims to analyze deeply past and current diplomatic status of the world and Israel in the region. "Israeli–Palestinian conflict" started about a century ago and continues today as "Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip (2023–present)". As you see it has a long history and fulfills "temporality" parameter. As well as, it is not a "fictional" book but evidently "real". It also fulfills "instructibility" on humanity area and diplomatic affairs. Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 07:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you lay out your proposed book outline so we can assess it with more context? —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No, the subject is not for me. I want to see how Wikibooks rules function when creating a new book. Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 19:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Is Wikibooks multilingual?
Wikibooks is a project which its different versions share the least number of interwikis specially for subpages of the books. In this situation the qusetion is if Wikibooks is considered as multilingual website? Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 20:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * This is the case solely because Wikibooks is in general a very small and obscure project. There is no reason why in principle books and subpages shouldn't exist in multiple languages. Note also that there is no Wikibooks equivalent to the multilingual Wikisource which is the only Wikimedia Foundation wiki that has works that are themselves multilingual (or also, I guess Commons). —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You mean Wikisource is multilingual but Wikipedia is not multilingual? Really? Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 07:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Multilingual Wikisource is a rare exception. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 13:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Annotated texts says that Wikibooks is a multilingual project. Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 09:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Doostdar! I have two questions. 1) what do you mean by multilingual, and 2) is there a reason you're asking? Is there something specific you're hoping to do? Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * User:MarcGarver explained the concept I tried to explain. Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 18:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I think you are asking if collectively all the different language Wikibooks projects consider themselves as a single multilingual project given the relatively small number of interwikis - e.g., between the French, English and Norwegian language projects. If so, the answer is that we do not consider it to be a single project in multiple languages. This is the same as, for example, Wikipedia. Each project is independent and does not, for example, contain the same books translated into the relevant language. Within this project - the English Wikibooks - it is monolingual. We do not accept a French book, for example. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 13:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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41.116.66.181 (discuss) 12:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikibooks is for creating educational textbooks. It is unclear what you want to do, but it doesn't seem likely to be in scope for Wikibooks. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)