Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2020/June

== 🎨 Styling catlinks (category links at bottom of each page) for all readers of a book as an author-side customisation (rather than as a reader-side customisation) ==

The category links at the bottom of each page com under the undefined element. Have been trying to figure out how to style the contents for all users of a book (at least as the default skin for users, something like a 'book skin') but have had no success in figuring out how to do it, and not sure whether it is even possible.

Things tried (but were not successful) :


 * templates styled with CSS file styles.
 * removing the default catlinks so new ones could be drawn-up.

Anyone have any ideas or comments on solving this?


 * What sort of customization are you trying for? The cat list at the bottom of the page is, after all, part of the site customization, so I'm dubious whether it ought to be customizable per book; but I'm open to being persuaded. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 17:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * for what it's worth, I'm also dubious. 😕


 * I would like each category to be on a separate line. A bullet-pointed vertical list would be acceptable, and I think one of the skins does this already. But the skins are set-up as user skins rather than book skins&mdash;I was hoping to use something like a book skin. Also, I do not want the text 'Book:End-user Computer Security' to appear at the beginning of each item, as it makes the category links difficult to read. If it were '📘' instead, that would be okay.


 * I have similar issues with the category pages. I'm thinking perhaps it might be best to create a user skin, that also has the meaning of being a particular skin for the book, and then somehow advertise or advise to users, that the book is best used with the particular book skin developed for the book. What do you think about that? As you imply, overriding the controls that prevent author-side customisation of the links is perhaps not a good idea.
 * I never tinker with skins, myself. It occurs to me to mention, iirc we have a provision in our infrastructure for book-specific css. Possibly something could be done with that.  (I don't often tinker with css, either, but have occasionally done so.) --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 17:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * that sounds like it might be a good idea. I've already looked at how CSS (including CSS files) can be used on the author-side (i.e. on a book-specific basis), but couldn't get it to work, as the styling was unable to style that part of the page (the part that required styling was outside the scope). Just so that I can be clear about what you mean by Wikibook's provision for book-specific css, can you please post a link to the documentation for it?
 * I'm not sure there is any documentation. I know about it because of my work on the dilaog tools, which depend on a related device (per-page javascript, originally a Wikinews thing); along the way I discovered Wikibooks has per-book css, supported by MediaWiki:Common.js/Perbook.js. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 14:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * that's looking like what I'm after. So if I create a file at 'https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Perbook/End-user_Computer_Security.css', will that CSS file automatically be used in the End-user_Computer_Security book? Currently, it's saying I don't have permission to create the page at that address. Any idea what I should do?
 * I think I have the requisite priv to do that. If you set up the content you want in a page in, say, your userspace, and tell me where it is, I can look it over and (if it looks okay, of course) I can set it up for you. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 15:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * any chance you could set-up a SANDBOX where I can experiment with such code (presumably with a SANDBOX book)? The reason I ask, is that as mentioned before, I'm not able to style the CATLINKs section otherwise (as far as I can tell); so it's a bit difficult to develop the needed CSS code without using the specific book-skin resource (with which I hope to be able to style the CATLINKs).
 * A sandbook? :p Hopefully I can try to set something up later today (though I can't guarantee, as my plate is pretty full atm). --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 16:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Trying to replace tags with   tags,   with  ,... and so on....
I want to do this so that the transcluded headings in a transcluded text, are all dropped down by one level, such that the table of contents then appears correctly structured.

Found the  function, but just can't get it to replace particular digits. Have a feeling that perhaps I need to do some character escaping to communicate string literals, but have tried all kinds of things for this with no success. Anyone have any ideas/advice?


 * Not sure concretely what you're trying to do. Is there a specific example one can look at? --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 12:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * have a look at the table of contents at Category:TODO/End-user_Computer_Security_book. That page uses transclusion, and I wanted the heading levels for the headings in the transcluded text to be demoted by one, so that I could add some more intervening parent headings. The way I figured out for doing this, was to replace '== ' with '=== ' and ' ==' with ' ==='. But then it seemed that after transclusion, the equals notation was converted into HTML notation for headings (i.e.,  , etc.) So then I was looking at replacing the text 'h1' with 'h2', but I couldn't get it to work with the aforementioned function. I managed to replace just the 'h' character, but I also need to replace the digit character as well. If you could give me one example of how to use the function to replace digits, that would probably be a step in the right direction.


 * I'm not a believer in lots of non-wiki-markup tools for specialized purposes, which tend to multiply as one finds new tasks one wants to perform. Basically the only purpose for which I use Lua/javascript is (by preference) to provide highly general tools that enable everything else to be done in wiki markup.  In this case, I would go about what you're describing using evalx, my general "glue" tool for doing things that fill in awkward gaps in what can be done without them.  No doubt this is less efficient than using the highly specialized Lua tool you're describing.  I'd probably write a little book-specific template, something like this (supposing one only had to replace headings down to h4):


 * Does this actually work, since I wrote it freehand? I'd probably test it on the Breadboard (being careful to pass in, as the value of parameter 1, expanded html rather than raw wiki markup); apologies that I haven't done so, 'fraid I'm kind of strapped for time just atm. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 17:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * thanks for this possible solution. My priorities have changed now such that I'm not going to bother trying to solve this problem for the time being. I don't know how Wikibooks archives such reading-room issues, but it would be good if this question-answer, problem-solution topic was archived in the collective Wikibooks knowledge-base, for easy retrieval by ppl later on.

Collapsible block:    just some thoughts of MarkJFernandes concerning best coding practices for Wikibooks Understand where you're coming from when you talk about many '...non-wiki-markup tools for specialized purposes...'. Being a Wikibooks newbie, I tend to follow the philosophy that newbies should learn as they go along. This might mean overly using CSS and HTML, and gradually transitioning more and more to pure wikitext. I would apply this also to the use of non-wiki-markup tools for specialized purposes. I think along the lines that it is better resource management than delaying contributions until you are proficient in Wikibooks technology; others can always help you along the way, and in terms of the totality of resources consumed (by the whole community together), I believe it leads to less resource consumption.

Trouble adding book images to BOOK SUBCATEGORY
Can't figure out how to CATEGORISE my book images in my images BOOK-CATEGORY SUBCATEGORY.

Can someone please direct me as to how I can get, to be CATEGORISED in my images BOOK CATEGORY? I tried to do such CATEGORISATION in the edit shown, but it didn't work.


 * Nothing you do to the page on Commons will affect categorization on Wikibooks. I think you can create a local description page on Wikibooks containing nothing but the requisite book category, and that'll do it.  If I'm remembering rightly (someone on Wikinews discovered this a bunch of years ago and was quite charmed by it), and if it still works now (if it ever did). --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 09:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Nope, it doesn't want to allow that; if it ever did work, it seems not to anymore. Or maybe I'm just not doing it right. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 09:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hm. It looks like it should work.  Cf. n:File:Ellie Cole.jpg. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 09:19, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think I've got it now. The trick is to avoid the "do what somebody else thinks you should want to do" interface.  Viewing the local page, I edited the url in the browser tab and added  to the end of it, then hit &lt;enter&gt;, and put in the page
 * --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 09:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 09:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * superb! Just read this. Someone probably should report this bug somewhere?


 * I would be concerned, pessimistically, that if their attention were drawn to it they'd "fix" it in a way that would only make it harder (or impossible) for us to accomplish what we want to do. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 17:59, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

RFC affecting WikiBooks on MetaWiki
Hello! I've started an RFC on MetaWiki about what I see as overlap between Wikiverity and Wikibooks, specifically in the area of foreign language learning, where there are virtually identical resources (with lessons, exercises, etc.) on both platforms. I wanted to post here to get feedback from those with more experience/investment in Wikibooks. Link is below:

RFC on MetaWiki

--Chapka (discuss • contribs) 14:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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Some advice on plan for final touches on making completed book publicly available?
hello (& hello to other readers), you previously sent me a message offering kind assistance on finally transferring my book to the main public work-space. I've tried to figure out what needs to be done by looking through the Wikibooks help, but not so sure that I've made no mistakes in my planned course of action. Could you,  or even other people , please advise as to whether my following plan of action appears to be correct?

 First run MovePage tool shown here on every page of the book. ✓ OKAYED BY Mrjulesd.   ADD "BOOK CATEGORY" INFORMATION  Add  to the bottom of every page of book other than the main page, as well as to every book template. ✓ OKAYED BY Mrjulesd.  For each image in book, add  to the bottom of the Wikibooks page for the image (the page here is an example of such a page). ✓ OKAYED BY Mrjulesd. Is this the case even for images that may be reused in other book projects? Mrjulesd seems to say 'yes'.   For each talk/discussion page of book, add to the bottom of the page. NOT NEEDED  💬 Mrjulesd. Is this right? Mrjulesd says it's not needed. </li> </ol> </li> <li style="padding-bottom:1em"> ADD "SHELF AND SUBJECT CATEGORY" INFORMATION <ol style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;padding-left:2em;padding-top:.5em"> <li style="padding-bottom:0.5em"> Place  at bottom of main page of book. NOT NEEDED  <div style="display:inline-block;-webkit-transform:rotateY(180deg);-moz-transform:rotateY(180deg);-o-transform:rotateY(180deg);-ms-transform:rotateY(180deg);">💬 Mrjulesd. </li> <li style="padding-bottom:0.5em">Place  at bottom of main page of book. ✓ OKAYED BY Mrjulesd. <BR> DECIDED TO ALSO ADD BOOK TO ENGINEERING SHELF AFTER HAVING READ THE SHELF'S DESCRIPTION.

</li> </ol> </li> <li style="padding-bottom:1em"> ADD "NON-SUBJECT CATEGORY" INFORMATION   USE  Wikibooks Stacks,   ADD   CCO Resources  ⇒  MAIN PAGE    <div style="display:inline-block;-webkit-transform:rotateY(180deg);-moz-transform:rotateY(180deg);-o-transform:rotateY(180deg);-ms-transform:rotateY(180deg);">💬 Mrjulesd. <ol style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;padding-left:2em;padding-top:.5em"> <li style="padding-bottom:1.5em;padding-top:1em">Add  to bottom of every page of book, where Categories is the specific name of the NON-SUBJECT category into which the page should be placed. When the page should be added to more than one category, add this code more than once, with each instance being for a different particular NON-SUBJECT category under which the page should be classified. The code just mentioned, should be adapted for certain pages of the book; specifically, the  magic word in the code ought to be appropriately exchanged for other text in each such instance; the specific adaptions are outlined in the next list item (b). PROBABLY UNNECESSARY. <div style="display:inline-block;-webkit-transform:rotateY(180deg);-moz-transform:rotateY(180deg);-o-transform:rotateY(180deg);-ms-transform:rotateY(180deg);">💬 Mrjulesd. </li> <li style="padding-bottom:1.5em">For each of the following pages, instead of using the magic word  for the sort key, the special sort key indicated in the table for the page, should be used (default sort key is overridden in such cases): PROBABLY UNNECESSARY. <div style="display:inline-block;-webkit-transform:rotateY(180deg);-moz-transform:rotateY(180deg);-o-transform:rotateY(180deg);-ms-transform:rotateY(180deg);">💬 Mrjulesd. </li> <li style="padding-bottom:0.5em"> After more or less exhaustively examining the present NON-SUBJECT categories, I have determined that I will likely be using the following NON-SUBJECT categories: <ol style="list-style-type:lower-roman;padding-left:2em;padding-top:.5em"> <li>Intermediate reading level</li> <li>Advanced reading level</li> <li>Books_containing_original_research</li> </ol> CREATE YOUR CATEGORIES BY CLICKING ON THE RED LINKS IN THE CATEGORIES NAMESPACE. <div style="display:inline-block;-webkit-transform:rotateY(180deg);-moz-transform:rotateY(180deg);-o-transform:rotateY(180deg);-ms-transform:rotateY(180deg);">💬 Mrjulesd. CAN CATEGORISE ON AN INDIVIDUAL-PAGE BASIS (RATHER THAN JUST ON A BOOK-WIDE BASIS), I ADVISE THAT YOU USE SUB-CATEGORIES OF THE BOOK CATEGORY FOR SUCH   (EG. "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security/Whatever"). <div style="display:inline-block;-webkit-transform:rotateY(180deg);-moz-transform:rotateY(180deg);-o-transform:rotateY(180deg);-ms-transform:rotateY(180deg);">💬 Mrjulesd. </li> <li style="padding-bottom:0.5em"> Add the presently unfinished book index (only part of book that is currently incomplete), to a new category under the TODO parent category. PROBABLY UNNECESSARY. <div style="display:inline-block;-webkit-transform:rotateY(180deg);-moz-transform:rotateY(180deg);-o-transform:rotateY(180deg);-ms-transform:rotateY(180deg);">💬 Mrjulesd. <ol style="list-style-type:lower-roman;padding-left:2em;padding-top:.5em"> <li> Create "TODO/Index for End-user Computer Security book" as a Category page. Then add following to page: <pre style="margin-left:1em;max-width:40em"> __HIDDENCAT__

</li> <li> Then add the following text to the talk page for the book: <pre style="margin-left:1em;max-width:80em"> </li> </ol> </li> </ol> </li> <li style="padding-bottom:1em">Add the following code to bottom of the book's main page: <pre style="margin-left:1em;max-width:20em">

✓ OKAYED BY Mrjulesd. </li> </ol> <p align="right" style="color:gray;font-style:italic;font-size:small">MarkJFernandes (discuss • contribs) 13:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * That's essentially it. I'll direct you to CCO Resources and Template:BookCat which better explain things than I could probably do.
 * But in summary:
 * Point 1: correct
 * Point 2: yes add BookCat. I imagine your book will be called "End-user Computer Security", so it would add to "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security". Categories to images can also be added by "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security/Images", and templates to "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security/Templates". Talk pages don't need cats, as the parent pages should already have cats.
 * Point 3: shelves is sufficient. I think Subjects came before Wikibooks Stacks came into operation, so is now legacy.
 * Point 4: Firstly please don't add your pages to "Category:Categories". Basically what you need to do is use Wikibooks Stacks; it works very well in practice, and is now the default for books on this project; further categorization could be done but is probably unnecessary. It's also very simple: all you needed to do is add BookCat to each (non-talk) page, and the CCO Resources to the main page. You also need to create your cats by clicking on the cat red-links and clicking create. All the rest is done automatically. You could further categorize pages within your book, but I would suggest you use subcats of the book cat, which I would imagine would be "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security", so something like "Category:Book:End-user Computer Security/Whatever".
 * Point 5: correct.
 * Overall my advice is to keep it simple at this stage, and move on to more advanced things later. Thanks to Wikibook Stacks, its all incredibly simple to get going, and is all you need to do for now. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 14:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

<p align="right" title="Thanks to Mrjulesd from user MarkJFernandes @ 8am (UTC) on Saturday 23rd May 2020">🙏👍
 * was just wondering whether you could advise as to the categories selection part. So what I've done, is that I've gone through all the categories, in the categories namespace, and selected the following rough list of categories that might be appropriate:

<ul style="list-style: none;margin-left:6em"><li> • Business </li> <li> • Business/all books </li> <li> • Business software </li> <li> • Business software/all books </li> <li> • Chrome users </li> <li> • CodeCook/Tasks/Programming </li> <li> • Communication/all books </li> <li> • Computer engineering/all books </li> <li> • Computer hardware </li> <li> • Computer hardware/all books </li> <li> • Computer software/all books </li> <li> • Computer software by operating system </li> <li> • Computing/all books </li> <li> • Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike images </li> <li> • Cyberwarfare </li> <li> • DIY </li> <li> • Dementia </li> <li> • Department:Computing </li> <li> • Design </li> <li> • Engineering </li> <li> • Enterprise Linux distributions </li> <li> • Firmware </li> <li> • Firmware/all books </li> <li> • Greek language </li> <li> • Information security </li> <li> • Information security/all books </li> <li> • Information technology </li> <li> • Information technology/all books </li> <li> • Internet </li> <li> • Internet/all books </li> <li> • Internet security </li> <li> • Issues in Digital Technology in Education </li> <li> • Linux </li> <li> • Linux/all books </li> <li> • Live distro and Full Linux Install </li> <li> • Maintenance and repair </li> <li> • Maintenance and repair/all books </li> <li> • Media files </li> <li> • Military strategy </li> <li> • Nanotechnology </li> <li> • Nanotechnology/Templates </li> <li> • On spies and stratagems </li> <li> • Open Source </li> <li> • Open source </li> <li> • Open source/all books </li> <li> • Open source software/all books </li> <li> • Operating systems </li> <li> • Operating systems/all books </li> <li> • Outsourcing </li> <li> • Phonetics </li> <li> • Photography </li> <li> • Photography/all books </li> <li> • Photography Equipment </li> <li> • Physics </li> <li> • Printing </li> <li> • Privacy </li> <li> • Probability </li> <li> • Probability Theory </li> <li> • Probability and statistics </li> <li> • Probability theory </li> <li> • Programming </li> <li> • Programmers </li> <li> • Programming Languages </li> <li> • Risk </li> <li> • Security Architecture and Design </li> <li> • Semiconductor Electronics </li> <li> • Shelf:Wireless communication </li> <li> • Shelf:Wireless communication/all books </li> <li> • Shelf:Written communication </li> <li> • Shelf:Written communication/all books </li> <li> • Signal Processing </li> <li> • Software engineering </li> <li> • Software engineering/all books </li> <li> • Statistics/Images </li> <li> • Systems Analysis and Design </li> <li> • Telecommunication </li> <li> • Telecommunication/all books </li> <li> • The Written Word </li> <li> • Tools and equipment </li> <li> • Written communication </li> <li> • Written communication/all books </li> </ul>
 * Can you just comment on this? Does it look right? Am I perhaps not doing something quite right?

<p align="right" style="font-style:italic;opacity:0.6;font-size:x-small;"> MarkJFernandes (discuss • contribs) 11:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * OK I'll tell you what you need to do (at this stage anyway):
 * * In your book click on the category red-link at the bottom of a page, i.e. Category:Book:End-user Computer Security. To this page add two templates: Book category header and BookCat. Put in an edit summary "create" and then press "publish page". You're essentially done with cats at this point, although you could create subcats at some point, depending on how you feel about it.
 * * To the main page, i.e. End-user Computer Security, you need to add the following:
 * **  - this is a suggestion, you may feel other shelves more appropriate
 * **  - if complete, otherwise something else
 * **  - I would imagine that this is roughly right, if you disagree that's fine
 * Now I realise that you've put your main page as a speedy delete, so it may not be possible to do it at this point. But these are the first steps, once you've done this you can think about more advanced options. But for many books this is all you need. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Now I realise that you've put your main page as a speedy delete, so it may not be possible to do it at this point. But these are the first steps, once you've done this you can think about more advanced options. But for many books this is all you need. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * the book is virtually ready to announce to others. In fact I can announce it even now. There is just one outstanding issue, and that is to do with my images being CATEGORISED in my IMAGES BOOK-CATEGORY SUBCATEGORY. I tried to follow yours and Wikibook's guidance, but am not getting it to work. Can you please direct me as to how I can get this image, to be CATEGORISED in my images BOOK CATEGORY?


 * Ah that's a good question, since its uploaded to Commons it may not be possible. This edit didn't work. Maybe ask at Reading room/Technical Assistance, as there might be a way that I don't know about? But if it's not added to the cat it shouldn't matter too much. -- Jules  (Mrjulesd) 15:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

<p style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;color:BlueViolet;" align="right">Followed Mrjulesd 's advice, and posted query to the Technical Assistance reading room  here.



Is it not okay to CATEGORISE chapters in non-BOOK, non-SUBJECT/SHELF categories?

 * thanks for your guidance thus far. I've created and used all of my BOOK CATEGORIES, and I'm happy with them for the time being. I'm slightly confused as to whether it is correct or not, to CATEGORISE chapters in non-SUBJECT categories (non-SHELF categories) that are also not BOOK CATEGORIES. Your guides seem to say that you shouldn't do that, and that instead chapters and other non-front-page pages should instead be categorised into BOOK CATEGORIES under the BOOK CATEGORY for the overall book. I know it's probably not necessary at this stage to do any such further CATEGORISATION, but once I've finalised the book, I'm not sure when I'll be returning to it for further improvements, so it might be best to get it out of the way now.
 * well in general that shouldn't be necessary, but I suppose it might depend on the category you have in mind. Have you got a specific example of why this might be necessary, and an example of a category you wish to add chapters to? Sometimes chapters get automatically added to categories like Category:Pages using deprecated source tags through the use of templates. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 10:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't use non-book, non subject categories, for example to group pages in different books together. That's because books are seen as independent self-contained things, and one page of a book wouldn't be grouped with one page from a different book. Occasionally people try to do this - usually Wikipedia editors - by adding article type categories, but someone else usually removes them very quickly. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 10:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for both of your responses. I'm going to go with QuiteUnusual's thinking, as this seems to make the most sense to me given what I found in the published guidance, and what QuiteUnusual said about what happens when ppl violate the rule.

Wrestling
I want to start a new book. What do I do? Gorozigg64 (discuss • contribs) 15:58, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi,  We provide a book about this, Using Wikibooks. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 17:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

contribution
Hi. Here is a link. Here 3DickUlus writes: "wiki books doesn't give me the freedom I need to maintain it properly ... they complain when I post a screenshot and tell me that I'm not allowed to post copyrighted material...FragM is opensource and I have contributed more than half of the code, so wikibooks is not the place I want people going for proper and up to date documentation." What do you think about it ? --Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 19:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * FragM is a redlink, so I have no clue what the guy is talking about. Can you please be more explicit about exactly what the problem is? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thx for replay. I have updated a link. I have also strikeout some text because it is IMHO normal. Only second part of his comment shows the problem--Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 16:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)answer