Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2018/December

Links in presentation of a sub-page.
Hi,

A question about presentation of a sub-page.

This page provides an example. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/S3/2003-01-05/

Mediwiki presents the title "Oberon/S3/2003-01-05/". Below the title are two links appearing as this. < Oberon‎ | S3

My question: why not a third link "2003-01-05"? The line below the title would be this. < Oberon‎ | S3 | 2003-01-05

Thanks,             ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 16:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The wiki platform, when it displays a page, provides at the top those links to ancestor pages. The page is not an ancestor of itself, so the platform doesn't list it.  In my experience, if the "grandparent" page Oberon existed but the "parent" page Oberon/S3 did not, it wouldn't list a red link for the latter, but would simply only list the grandparent. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 17:22, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Correction: the example I should have given is this page.
 * https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/S3/2003-01-05/Compiler.Mod


 * The title is consistent with the page URL but the links below it are
 * < Oberon‎ | S3
 * whereas
 * < Oberon‎ | S3 | 2003-01-05
 * would be consistent with your explanation. Correct?


 * Thanks,       ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 05:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Hazarding a guess, the moral may be, don't end a page name with a slash. The platform probably considers the parent of Oberon/S3/2003-01-05/Compiler.Mod to be Oberon/S3/2003-01-05, whereas Oberon/S3/2003-01-05/ would be just a sibling page, as would be, say, Oberon/S3/2003-01-05/Compil. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 06:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Assuming I've committed no further blunders, pages are displayed as intended now.


 * According to https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Help:Editing#Links, subsection "Subpage links", the table, row 2, a page name ending without a slash, produces the page with the fully qualified title. Whereas row 3 shows that when the name ends with "/", the title is displayed without the path. I'm not sure that is correct.  For example https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/S3#Module_Sources_and_Tools_in_S3_(ETH_Oberon,_PC-Native) now has markup "&#91;&#91;../S3/ATADisks.Mod/|ATADisks.Mod]]" whereas the target has the full title "Oberon/S3/ATADisks.Mod" as intended. Also the ancestor links are shown correctly.  Thanks again, ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 18:45, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

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Rename Digital Technology and Cultures
Hello, I can't figure out why this book is not in the book namespace. Moreover its subpages contravene to Naming policy. As its first author doesn't answer, I propose to rename it ourselves. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 13:30, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Go for it. I've seen this mistake with other books, and it (mostly) boils down to confused students who think that the Wikibooks: namespace is used to represent a book. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 14:54, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 20:26, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Shelved. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 20:45, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

New Book Questions
I'm new here, so I have a bit of a learning curve. If this is in the wrong section, please move it and guide me to how better use this or other areas. Unintended editing. When creating a book. I can't imagine myself completing this thing in a month's time, as I go along it will be fragmented and probably massively out of order as I go along and discover new pages and/or sections that must be added to have better flow. Forgive me if I don't have the correct terminology correct. So when I start writing this thing, is this all in public domain where other can modify/edit? If I leave it for a week or more and come back and find it completely changed, with possibly incorrect information or information I had not intended to cover, how could I recover the previous version. Not looking to create conflict with other contributors at all, but until I'm done with the book, and have it most pure form, then I would happily be open to have it edited/changed by other people. Realistically I don't see myself taking longer than a month to get it done. The book is somewhat a time based work, meaning the longer I take to write it, the more information may change. While the core structure of the book will remain good, as time progresses, certain information in the book will change and should change with other editors that may take on the challenge of doing so. Perhaps it's better I develop this offline with a program or a subsection of Wikibooks that I can craft this book into existence. As I'm writing it from the first few weeks, it will be useless to even read as it will be incomplete. Any suggestions for an offline program to develop the sections? Any good books in here, or outside links teaching me the code I would need to learn to be more effective? Video Editing: Free Open Source Software: Windows, MacOS, Linux I see there is a book for Blender in Shelf:Computer software. The book would not be about video editing as a whole, but more how to use a specific piece of software that is still under development and many changes throughout the year. I would need to create sections or stubs on basic video editing terminology to help the reader understand the software. Once I'm done with the book, it would have the version number of the software in the title. My goal is to update, or copy the book to a different book/version a year later as there would have been so many changes with the software development as features would be added and deprecated. The software is not dependent upon the latest software to operate thus anyone could have every single version released installed and use any version at any time. While this book is not about Blender, is Computer Software the correct Shelf that I would need? How would I create or request for a Department: Video Editing? If there is a Department added at a later date for Video Editing, how easy it is to move the move to that Department? Images/embedded video/gifs What's allowed, not allowed with wikibooks. I would love to use animated gifs to fully illustrate certain techniques that otherwise would be difficult to put into words. I would need to use about 1 to 5 gifs per page but possibly up to 10 to 15 for just a couple of pages to demonstrate while explaining in text what's going on. And how could I give a creative common's license to the gifs I create that would be on the page? There would also be standard images. Would PNG, or JPG be better? Or is it a matter of preference. Time limitations on completing a book? Right now I have time to dedicate towards this project. In the future months I may not, and it may go abandoned, which I don't see happening. But if it does, what could I do to preserve it here, back it up to my computer. What are the archival options that I should be aware of before it's deleted. If someone wants or can edit this I completely understand. Thank you in advance for any help you can provide. Hudson555x (discuss • contribs) 03:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikibooks. The book Using Wikibooks provides a good overview on what Wikibooks is all about, and I recommend that you read it. Let us know if you have any more questions. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:14, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) The default license is CC SA 3.0; which is mentioned at the bottom of every page. Yes, anyone can modify/edit your work at any time. You can of course use the View History option to recover to any previous version. There is absolutely no problem with working from scratch here; one can easily add templates to let readers know that a work is in progress. In fact, a Wikibook keeps improving over time to account for the latest changes.
 * 2)  for the shelves stuff.
 * 3) It's fine to use visual material like gifs to illustrate a point.
 * 4) You are free to work on your book whenever you like. No one expects you to complete a book in any given time frame. In fact, it's impossible to define a Wikibook as 'complete' as it will continuously be revised to keep up with the latest changes. Unless there is absolutely nothing in the book, it won't be deleted.


 * We only call them "departments" at the top level; the lower levels are all shelves. It's easy to move a book to a different shelf later. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 18:30, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

OGL copyright question
Hi wikibooks

I have a CC 3.0 SA OGL question

I might be contracted soon on an OGL project. This would involve bringing material from wikibooks onto another platform, and all updates on this platform fed back into wikibooks.

The only problem here is that the platform will be OGL.

Is there a problem with: --Pluke (discuss • contribs) 12:42, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OGL -> CC 3.0 SA
 * CC 3.0 SA -> OGL

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