Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2017/December

Greetings
I usually edit the en:Wikipedia where I have permission to patrol, and review pending changes. In addition I create templates. I am wondering why I can't create templates on Wikibooks. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) (discuss • contribs) 19:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you please communicate an example? Because [//en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=Barbara+%28WVS%29&wpSearchTitle=&wpSearchFilter= I can't see any restriction in the logs], and no [//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Barbara_(WVS) global blocking]. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 19:59, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * When not blocked, I cannot think of inability to create templates on Wikibooks unless specific title is protected from creation. Please tell which template to try creating, or we cannot help.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 23:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

New user in need of help
I was contacted recently by, who had an article he wanted to share with the Wikimedia community. Since its' description suggested it's out of scope for Wikipedia (OR), I suggested he published it here. The article is currently in the author's sandbox (User:Adam.bednarczyk01/sandbox), including contact details and whatnot. Any help in bringing the article up to WikiBooks' standards and moving it to the main space highly appreciated. Halibutt (discuss • contribs) 10:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * We don't allow original research either (WB:NOR). QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 11:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You should inquire at Wikiversity, where original research is allowed. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 12:45, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, posted a question there. Halibutt (discuss • contribs) 13:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Rendering problem
I think I've done the markup correctly for a [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Cookbook/Public_Key_Authentication#Warning:_Remote_Host_Identification_Has_Changed! section] but it renders incorrectly. A large portion of the paragraph is bold + italic instead of regular. What needs to be changed for it to render properly? Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 08:07, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:22, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I see now the omission.  It was pretty far downstream from the symptoms! Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 08:28, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

BookCat
Hi, I was thinking of making an AWB run to add Bookcat. I was hoping to see if i could get a list of pages that needs it, aside from Subject pages and main topic pages. Would that be good? Artix Kreiger (discuss • contribs) 22:36, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The cases where it isn't used are very customized, and strike me as something for manual attention; I'm going through all the book categories now, a process that I've been at since April and am likely to finish sometime early in the new year. I think there are folks who go through adding BookCat to uncategorized content subpages.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 23:39, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Moreover my bot already teats the obvious Special:UncategorizedPages. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 18:10, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * ahh ok. Thank you. Artix Kreiger (discuss • contribs) 22:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Cannot create a userpage
I am trying to create my userpage but I get a message: "An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive, and it has been disallowed. If this edit is constructive, please report this error". How do I report it? What will happen if I report it? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 15:04, 31 December 2017 (UTC) please ping me
 * It looks as if (though I could be misreading, I don't deal with the edit filters much) the edit filter didn't like your link to wmflabs. I suggest you try omitting that from the page, and see if it'll create then.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 16:41, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Relation between Wikipedia and Wikibooks
I'm an admin in Persian WB. It seems that I should be aware of differences between Wikipedia and Wikibooks deeply. Even though the difference between Wikibooks and Wikisource has been well defined but the case for Wikipedia is yet vague. What is the differences and similarities between Wikipedia and Wikibooks? This guideline explains some similarities but it does not describes how to import pages from Wikipedia and how to use or dewikify them. --Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 19:57, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please go to Requests for import to bring materials from Wikipedia.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 21:15, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Regarding differences of Wikibooks from Wikipedia, to my understanding,
 * Wikibooks can go into great depth on a subject, much greater than would be allowed on Wikipedia; an encyclopedia is supposed to summarize/synopsize each topic it covers.
 * A book has overall structure, whereas a grouping of encyclopedia articles does not; a book's modules are usually meant to be read in a particular order, they typically follow various conventions that are common to that particular book but not to other books (nor to an encyclopedia, which often has its own conventions that most books don't follow).
 * A book is relatively self-contained, whereas a Wikipedia article goes out of its way to link to other articles quite freely. Within the text of a book (thus not counting various kinds of lists of external links), we're most willing to wikilink between parts of a single book, sometimes we'll wikilink to another book.  Links to another sister (such as Wikipedia), let alone external links (outside the wikimedia sisterhood) are rare.
 * I've observed that each book is, to a significant extent, a microproject; all these microprojects have banded together to share a common administrative infrastructure, which makes a lot of sense because most of the individual books are orders of magnitude smaller than would ever justify having it own separate administration, but any book may have some differences of organization from all other books as well as all other sisters. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 21:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Is there any guide on how to dewikify? As a sample considering this page what changes should be applied? --Doostdar (discuss • contribs) 13:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * For whatever it may be worth, template dewikify links to page WB:Dewikify. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 15:06, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Would someone please make a bot to dewikify red links? Manually dewikifying is cumbersome.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 06:18, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It's been tried before, and it doesn't work reliably. For example, piped links need a manual review to check which words should be left in the page. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 10:28, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good candidate for semi-automation, if I can get moving with the next phase of that. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 12:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Not in Card Catalog Office
My new "Numerical calculations and rigorous mathematics" does not appear on the Subject:University level mathematics books page but does appear on the Category:Subject:University level mathematics books page. Why so? Boris Tsirelson (discuss • contribs) 10:41, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Now it does: I've just refreshed the page by editing it with no modification. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 13:10, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice; thank you. Boris Tsirelson (discuss • contribs) 14:38, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Redirects to cookbook from normal namespace
I propose creating redirects from pages that are in the cookbook from pages that have the same title but do not have the Cookbook prefix.

I mean that  would have a redirect to it from. It could be implemented by bot. 02:00, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I would oppose this (btw, would have thought this would go in the proposals reading room rather than projects, but, whatever).
 * Pages in cookbook space are essentially module-level, whereas standalone pages in mainspace are book-level. So, redirecting from mainspace to cookbook pages would be similar, in that sense, to having mainspace redirects to individual pages in books, defying our convention that pages within a book are subpages of the book's main page.
 * The namespaces are separate in order to distinguish pages in one space from pages in another, and this would seem to degrade that separation. If one wants to search both spaces, one can; if one wants to search just one space, one can, but creating these redirects would make that less true.
 * At some point in the future, I hope we'll do things to facilitate searching modules by topic. Our category infrastructure has never properly supported that, due to confusion in the category hierarchy arising from our various other uses of categories, hence the massive category rearrangements I've set in motion (which various others have been helping with).  Module-level topic categories are presumably something to be thinking about now, in preparation for acting on it sometime after the current phase of category rearrangement is completed.  At the current rate, it might be a half a year or more before completion of the current phase.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 03:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm opposed to this too, because the mainspace page could have multiple targets. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 20:47, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I would like to oppose it as redundant.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 06:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)