Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2014/September

Moving larger sections of content
In our wikibook Sensory_Systems one of the sections, https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sensory_Systems/NonPrimates, is getting too large. So we would like to move content on insects, spiders, etc. to the new page Sensory_Systems/Insects.

My question: while there does exists a mechanism to move whole pages, is there any way to move sections (i.e. larger parts of a page) onto a new page? Or do I have to copy/paste? The problem with copy/pasting is the accompanying loss of the edit-history, which I would like to avoid if possible. Any help would be appreciated!
 * Copy/paste moves This is not necessarily a problem, as you can provide attribution in the edit summary and talk page. As long as you note "[X] is ported from [Y]--check the history there", then you're good. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:47, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Vietnamese postage stamp
Good day! There is article about a bug Anoplophora horsfieldi. Whether it is possible at the end of this article in gallery to place the image a Vietnamese stamp of 1977 with this bug? --Matsievsky (discuss • contribs) 09:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC) Second question. There is category for bug Anoplophora horsfieldi Category:Anoplophora_horsfieldi. Whether it is possible in this category the image a Vietnamese stamp of 1977 with this bug? --Matsievsky (discuss • contribs) 09:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Depends on whether the image itself is qualified. Artwork on a stamp is certainly intellectual work and would normally be a no-no, but a quick search on the commons shows a lot of stamps in the inventory--but none for Vietnam. You'd be better off posting your question there, and if you have such a photo, asking what the stamp criteria are. A quick browse did find a discussion in a 2007 Village Pump archive about a PD-license template for tagging such, and a few other search links, if read may find more. No mention in the FAQ, so don't bother with that! Try making the post above again on one of these pages. Good luck. // Fra nkB 21:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

On your second question: a category here wouldn't be useful unless you were writing a book on the subject. But yes, one can be created, speaking technically. However, The images there on the Commons&mdash;it's whole purpose is to store media for all Wikimedia projects&mdash;can directly be used here simply by adding the page title in a standard wikimarkup image link like this: , That's the basics. Good luck again! // Frank Fra nkB 21:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * where, the width (400px) and thumb go together.
 * Otherwise the image, if large, will fill the page width.
 * The width is defaulted as well in user preferences, so may be left out.
 * Thank you very much. Sorry my explanation. The problem is that Vietnamese stamp images haven't free licenze. Matsievsky (discuss • contribs) 22:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Grants to improve your project
Greetings! The Individual Engagement Grants program is accepting proposals for funding new experiments from September 1st to 30th. Your idea could improve Wikimedia projects with a new tool or gadget, a better process to support community-building on your wiki, research on an important issue, or something else we haven't thought of yet. Whether you need $200 or $30,000 USD, Individual Engagement Grants can cover your own project development time in addition to hiring others to help you.
 * Submit your proposal
 * Get help: In IdeaLab or an upcoming Hangout session PEarley (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 15:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Page Popups needed - is there something in place already
I'm looking for a template 'capability' similar to the Wikipedia footer navbar templates that instead of expanding a template, will allow examples in sub-pages of the work to be shown or not by user control. See one possible case: uses now and subpages like Trainz/Versions/TS10-Ver Table). "Click open to view , or see the full page at . should do it.
 * Since the magic is in the called page, I guess I meant a template family footer, header and call templates.
 * This will give the advantage of visually grouping the exposition and explanations and yet allow the example to be opened under or over the text.
 * Like the linked page, many will be screenfuls in length, so incorporating them directly in the page is contra-indicated, while the prose will certainly include snippets of closer discussion points in pre & /pre tags.
 * Ideally, the 'calling template' would allow some boilerplate default message incorporating a direct page link and pipetrick. Hmmmmm, something like:

If this theoretical ideal template just manifested as a line continuation with 🇨🇴

or the flipside when opened 🇨🇴 each displayed in the same 'anchor point' in the text, that would work well as a general flexible implementation, and allow users to nest it inside any box template of their choice, such as example. I don't know enough about the Common.css and Common.js differences between here and the en.wikipedia to write something from scratch using code snippets from those navbar templates, but hope you all have something in place or someone is willing to work with me that has a stronger java script and css knowledge than mine (a VERY low bar! ).
 * It can of course be ghosted in a HTML container, preferentially a table element so it behaves well with images and a possible series of right margin navbox templates in certain topic groups our 'divisions' (Think of a large TAB organized 3-ring binder, that's the way the Trainz Wikibook new organization is like, with sub-TOC pages like these two...) and  pages would benefit from such cross-linking.
 * It also strikes me as a good feature to show the 🇨🇴 under the expanded text page as well; allowing as it does the reader to just keep going from the bottom.

So HELP! Best regards, Fra nkB 16:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Secondary issue
That table page linked above is NOT clearing properly for references shown in reflist. I'm seeing the first ref tagged manifest off to the table right when viewing the page on the subpage. Further, the refs aren't following the section AND displaying where I expected. Anybody help me figure out what's happening there? Note the transcluding page (1st link) will have multiple pages based on that prototype. That will ease editing chores and allow for a better presentation, but this direct viewed behavior troubles me.
 * Apologies, Missed this correction-- as I'd fixed that the next day. // Fra nkB 18:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

(Be merciful Masters, my HTML is challenged, and this is one case when I wish I'd the time to add a better CS base knowledge to my skills. TIME, is there ever enough of it?) Thanks // Frank and Fra nkB 16:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What no advice or suggestions at all in two weeks? // Fra nkB 16:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there's not a lot of action here at all. I saw your post but didn't know how to help. You may want to contact an active user directly or ask for admin assistance (although I have asked for admins on the admin request page to perform some simple moves and it hasn't happened). —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't understand the question. I'm probably capable of figuring out the technical side of how to do something, but that's predicated on my knowing what one is trying to do. :-S  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 18:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well getting a template set to achieve collapsing and noncollapsing an 'included example page' content was the horse I rode in on, and an answer on that is what I sought. Thanks for responding to the bump. I figured out the secondary issue myself. A nesting issue with a table not being terminated properly, iirc. Thanks for the time! // Fra nkB 18:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC)