Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2014/October

How do you make a test book?
Hi everyone! I'm Jonathan. :) I usually make pretty minor edits. I wanted to do something pretty big now (making a new book/reorganizing an old one [Vegan Cuisine]), but I wanted to make sure that I won't be messing up anything, so I thought making a test first, and showing the results if they aren't obviously awful, would be a good idea. Right now it's basically a bunch of links (it's a cookbook, and they seem to normally be like this, although I'm not sure). I want to turn it into a proper book, with each heading a chapter and each recipe a page, and possibly adding reason as to why people eat vegan food, and a history of veganism, plus any other stuff I (and other people who might be interested :)) can think of. Thanks for reading! JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (discuss • contribs) 19:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC) Edit: I feel so silly. I noticed the sandbox button right after submitting this! :)
 * This is a little bit tricky because of the way the Cookbook works. However, if you are extending it beyond cooking then it might be reasonable to put the content in the main space instead. The book Using Wikibooks is a good introduction to everything you need to know to structure a new book so I'd start by reading that then ask for any further clarification here. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 17:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello Jonathan, I believe, you would be able to complete this book. In case you require any assistance, you can contact Xania, or other editors out here. Please feel free to ask anytime. Jai Jinendra. Vishal Bakhai - Works[[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|15px]] 10:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying to me, everyone! I'll go look at Using Wikibooks and ask for help when I need it. I've kind of decided to get more comfortable here before doing this, and am editing some other books right now to become more comfortable, but this is really appreciated! :) JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (discuss • contribs) 18:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The Sandbox is always a great place to experiment and you can always create your own sandbox and other pages like this: User:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique/Page 1, User:JonathanHopeThisIsUnique/Page 2. Create any pages you like within your own user space.  Later you can move or copy them to a more appropriate location or ask someone to move them for you.  You could also create a fresh book all about Veganism (Veganism) with fresh pages as well as links to Cookbook articles.  Lastly remember that even if you decide to edit existing Cookbook pages and make some kind of mistake we can easily undo mistakes and change it back to how it appeared before.--ЗAНИA [[Image:Flag_of_the_Isle_of_Mann.svg|15px]]talk 19:14, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Suggestions for advertising it.Wikibooks
Hello! I'm a user from the Italian Wikibooks.

As a request of the community I asked to Wikimedia-CH to advertise it.Wb with a banner. Soon the community will prepare it and a page which should prompt readers to contribute to our project.

We wanted know if You could kindly point us activities of peer learning and e-learning in which Wikibooks could be a helpfool tool, and anything needed to advertise the project. Ours has 100 times less active users per month compared to this site, is not known by most people and e-learning is an innovation in Italian schools.

Thank you very much for your advice! --Riccardo Rovinetti (discuss • contribs) 16:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Featured books advertisement 2
Please remove the featured books advertisememt as per my post from. On some computers I cannot hide it; the "dismiss" button is not visible. I consider the presence of this advertisemsen to be an inappropriate use of prime advertising space. Please remove it. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:33, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Questions before starting the project of the Law of the Republic of China to review from article to article
As English Wikisource cannot easily maintain s:Portal:Law of the Republic of China whenever any article of any law is amended while Taiwan does not officially speak English, I would like to start a project of the Law of the Republic of China to review from article to article of any law, including current and historical versions. Naming policy would ask all relevant pages to prefix something like "Republic of China Law/", such as "Republic of China Law/Criminal Code of the Republic of China/Article 1", "Republic of China Law/Administrative Procedure Act/Article 1", and so on, right? Please historically note that some laws of the Republic of China were enacted in Mainland Era through 1949, but others were enacted in Taiwan after 1949, so if prefixing is needed, I prefer "Republic of China Law/" for uniformity as "ROC Law/" is not readily clear. Thanks.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 02:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * For what I understood, first you are considering the title. At Wikibooks we try very hard to avoid, for a few years now, direct descriptive references in titles, so in place of "Republic of China Law" could be something like "Evolution of Sino-Jurisprudence" (for what you state it would be a more exact description of what you intend). It even avoids a direct reference to Republic of China since you seem to intend to cover the historical evolution and some special administrative regions (besides all the other political nuances that it may help avoid). You can use subsections to be more clear of the subject matter.
 * You can also request for the importation of content from Wikisource, while not initial in volume, until you commit to differentiate from the source as not to duplicate it can probably help. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 03:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * China is divided since 1949 into the People's Republic of China based in Mainland China and the Republic of China based in Taiwan, so "Evolution of Sino-Jurisprudence" would cover both of them and even ancient China, which is much more than what I intend. What I intend to review the "Republic of China Law" from article to article is limited to national laws passed by the Legislature and promulgated by the President. For example, the Civil Code with 1225 articles was promulgated in 1929 and 1930 with five parts when the Republic of China was in Mainland China while Taiwan was a Japanese external territory, then after Taiwan Retrocession in 1945, the Republic of China lost Mainland to the Communists in the Chinese Civil War in 1949 and retreated with its laws to Taiwan.
 * I am creating a page titled Republic of China Law/Civil Code/Article 8 for initial demonstration, inspired by Japanese Wikibooks with some law reviews from article to article like ja:消防法第13条 (Firefighting Act Article 13) at Japanese Wikibooks. Then I plan to import more amended Republic of China Laws here, break them up by articles, and delete the unmaintained pages at English Wikisource that cannot maintain evolving works. Please advise before I go any further. Thanks again.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 01:27, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It was just a suggestion as to comply with the new way of naming projects, the issue is that by naming it Republic of China Law you block that subject/category namespace for any other related works (Books by subject). As for the imports I see no problem.
 * What about adding "Annotated Republic of China Laws" at least that would reduce the issue and reflect what you intend... --Panic (discuss • contribs) 04:48, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your suggested prefix, so I just moved my demonstrating page "Republic of China Law/Civil Code/Article 8" to Annotated Republic of China Laws/Civil Code/Article 8. Meanwhile, I am waiting for any response at s:Wikisource:Proposed deletions regarding amended Laws of the Republic of China before requesting importing flag.--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 05:36, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Take the time to look into the structure of other works for ideas on how to build it. I personally dislike navigational aids and think the content (ease of use and portability) is king. See Annotations to James Joyce's Ulysses (the navigational aid is superfluous if you structure the book around the slash convention, this of course increases the depth of the tree created by content, on the other hand it forces a move away from a monolithic structure that readers in low speed connections dislike but is often preferred for continue care and oversight of the work's progress). Annotations of The Complete Peanuts is a more simplistic approach it works since the subject matter is not very complex but makes its use a bit dry. One of my favorites is the The Devonshire Manuscript but it goes well beyond a simple annotation work... --Panic (discuss • contribs) 09:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the examples. Now I would like to be sure whether to keep the title Annotated Republic of China Laws or drop the last "s".--Jusjih (discuss • contribs) 06:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It depends. Since you are covering also special regions and then there is also the notion on how the legal system is structured in some nations there is a separation of the legal rules, for example family law, civil law, military law, criminal law etc... there is also the concept that there isn't a single law (that in its singular form is simply an abstraction for simplification of discourse) but a set of laws when we address the particulars of the diverse but specific legal legislation.  --Panic (discuss • contribs) 21:28, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

How to make a Pot, Brick or iron(Recipe)?
What are the recipes for these? I request a metalwork and sculpting section.117.221.182.234 (discuss) 11:05, 19 October 2014 (UTC)clearbooks

Template:W
Why are we not supposed to use Template:W (see meta:Template:W)? I thought we weren't supposed to worry about performance. Leucosticte (discuss • contribs) 19:00, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting question. I've wondered the reverse:  why would one use w as it exists here?  I honestly don't understand what benefit is perceived to come from it.  (In contrast, en.wn has a different template with the same name, n:Template:W, that plays a subtle and important role in the en.wn infrastructure.  It looks for a local page with the target name and links to that if found, otherwise (barring specialized options) links to the target page on en.wp, and uses various hidden machinery to aid categorization maintenance by tracking local and non-local links.)  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 15:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Meta RfCs on two new global groups
Hello all,

There are currently requests for comment open on meta to create two new global groups. The first is a group for members of the OTRS permissions queue, which would grant them autopatrolled rights on all wikis except those who opt-out. That proposal can be found at Requests for comment/Creation of a global OTRS-permissions user group. The second is a group for Wikimedia Commons admins and OTRS agents to view deleted file pages through the 'viewdeletedfile' right on all wikis except those who opt-out. The second proposal can be found at Requests for comment/Global file deletion review.

We would like to hear what you think on both proposals. Both are in English; if you wanted to translate them into your native language that would also be appreciated.

It is possible for individual projects to opt-out, so that users in those groups do not have any additional rights on those projects. To do this please start a local discussion, and if there is consensus you can request to opt-out of either or both at Stewards' noticeboard.

Thanks and regards, Ajraddatz (talk) 18:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)