Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2011/February

I'd like to wikiobookify "Optimizing Code for Speed"
Hi all, Optimizing Code for Speed should be wikibookified per the request of a moderator (which prevents making it a 100% completion status.). I don't mind it being split into pages, but I'd like to know how to do it exactly. Is there a script somewhere or a page explaining the process? Shlomif (discuss • contribs)
 * It's really simple. Just copy the contents of each of the sections into a subpage. for example, the introduction goes to Optimizing Code for Speed/Introduction. After you've done that, turn the book into a table of contents. You can see how this is done by looking at a random book. Kayau 13:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Quizzes and Exams
Hey guys, do we have a multiple choice quiz function on the English wikibooks? On the Icelandic wikibooks, we have and we can produce a nice self assessment on Wikibooks. See here. If we do, what's the code? Thanks! --Girdi (discuss • contribs) 01:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * That is possible there by virtue of the Quiz extension installed. We would have to show consensus and file a request for it to be installed here. – Adrignola discuss 13:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah I see. So let's do it! It'd be great for many of these books to incorporate an interactive quiz function. Where do we start the consensus? :) --Girdi (discuss • contribs) 13:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The best place would be WB:Reading room/Proposals. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 14:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

"Future of Wikimedia"
Came across this recently-created essay. It's an interesting examination and helps foster thoughts on long-term planning. See m:User:Yair rand/Future of Wikimedia. – Adrignola discuss 05:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a refreshing contrast to the usual "we should put all our resources into Wikipedia, and the unimportant side projects are welcome to try to survive". (It's also interesting to me as a Wikinewsie that, while I agree that it has massive potential, I disagree with or doubt other things said about it, and feel Wikinews's current key challenge is missing from the account... but I digress. :-)


 * Regarding Wikibooks, I'm interested that the author draws xyr correspondence between Wikibooks and Wikipedia by analogizing our books to Wikipedia's pages. I disagree with that.  An independent project has the psychologically significant property that its mainspace text wikilinks are internal to the project.
 * Wikinews suffers, psychologically, because its mainspace text wikilinks are often, in some articles almost entirely, to Wikipedia. (I mean to do something about that... again I digress.)
 * Wikipedia mainspace text mostly wikilinks to Wikipedia pages.
 * Wiktionary mainspace text mostly wikilinks to Wiktionary pages.
 * But Wikibooks mainspace text, once it matures, mostly wikilinks within the same book. So each book feels like an independent project, analogous not to a single Wikipedia page but to the whole of Wikipedia &mdash; only with such a small scope that it's almost impossible to build and maintain a significant contributing community.  This also explains the difficulty with a single person writing a book by xyrself.
 * Moving forward, we may view ourselves as shepherds of a very large flock of tiny projects (though it may be less like herding sheep, and more like herding cats). Obvious subgoals include
 * helping users find a book they might be interested in contributing to. (Goes back to my thoughts on keyword searching. :-)
 * helping a book to establish and maintain a coherent style despite long dry spells between significant contributions: it should be possible to pick up an "abandoned" book without having to reinvent the wheel (unless, of course, one wants to).  If I chose a random book, even a random book whose subject I'm competent in, and tried to contribute to it, I might have to either ignore the intended organization, and thus potentially degrade it, or spend a pile of up-front time figuring out how the book was meant to be organized and how, if at all, I feel it ought to be reorganized.  Even with that effort, subtle aspects of the previously envisioned organization might never become evident to me.  My point is, we want to make it easier for the past contributors to a book to successfully liaise with later contributors across time.
 * helping books to coordinate with each other, for synergy. An obvious goal, that falls trippingly off the tongue and is very hard to know how to go about.
 * --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone recently made the point that we're like a collection of wikis within one. That matches up with your comments and recent discussions at Wikibooks talk:Incubator.  I do find the essay's overall theme, "a Wikipedia surrounded by successful projects will have a far better future than without" to be insightful.  The cross-wiki watchlists and bug fixes/feature requests would help to encourage greater participation.  The software is deficient in supporting the idea of wikis within a wiki, from watching a book at once to per-book CSS/JavaScript.  As Wikipedia is quite mature, the opportunity for growth is at the other projects. – Adrignola discuss 16:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Page counts are incorrect
It appears that a definition I read somewhere about pages having to be in a content namespace and having a link to another page for them to be counted as content pages in Special:Statistics is correct. I checked the value of before and after adding a link to a page with none (.NET Development Foundation/Iterators), for example, and it caused the value to increment. It's too bad Special:DeadendPages is disabled. The implications of this are that the values shown on the main page, in the local statistics, at stats.wikimedia.org, and especially in List of Wikimedia projects by size all severely under-report our progress. A-level Chemistry/AQA/Module 5/Periodicity with all its content wouldn't be counted, for instance. I've found that w:Wikipedia:Dead-end pages has instructions that will produce a list of pages that can then have navigation templates applied, rectifying the count. – Adrignola discuss 21:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It can be changed to count commas instead of links - mw:Manual:$wgUseCommaCount. Bawolff (discuss • contribs) 22:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * A good find! Too bad it doesn't apply retroactively.  Maybe the developers would run the update script.  We need to show consensus for changing $wgUseCommaCount to true here, though. – Adrignola discuss 23:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Given the general lack of wikilinks here - especially as we encourage a book navigation structure - I think using the comma count method is both sensible and likely to gain consensus. QU TalkQu 15:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a question... why commas? Kayau 15:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * because that's the only other option the MediaWiki software supports QU TalkQu 15:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe if we ask developers nicely other options could be added. --dark lama  16:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, despite my glib answer I did think that... I struggled a bit to get beyond why any character (i.e., a page length > 1) wouldn't be the most sensible option. Presumably there was some logic in choosing "wikilink or comma" as the options but I can't think of one. Perhaps a { would be a good choice for us as most / all pages will include a transcluded template? QU TalkQu 16:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the problem with wikilinks could be fixed for Wikibooks if the criteria for it were the use of wikilinks on a page OR a page is linked to from another page. Generally books have a table of contents with wikilinks to their pages, so if the criteria were updated to that than just having a table of contents should be enough to ensure all its pages were counted. Another option I can think of would be to count all pages which are categorized. --dark lama  19:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wondering, could we hotwire BookCat so that every page (or every content-space page) it's on would have a link, without causing that link to be obnoxiously visible? (And how much of a problem would it then be that we're not using BookCat in Cookbook space?)  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 19:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If links through template inclusion were enough to have a page counted, I think most pages would already be counted due to the use of navigational aids. I wonder if page statistics even matter. Other than to perhaps determine average book length, I think how many books Wikibooks has is the statistics that is most relevant to us. I think counting pages based on template inclusion is a good idea, but I think multiple ways for a page to be counted would help to ensure more pages are counted without people having to go out of their way to make sure a page is counted. Another option could be the presents of any one of "!", "?", or "." since at least one is guaranteed to be present in properly formed sentence. --dark lama  21:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * We can wish for many things, but any significant feature requests requiring new code rather than configuration changes seem to just flounder in the bug reporting system for years. Changing this configuration value will at least increase accuracy in the meantime.  Page statistics do matter with regards to mindshare.  If charts at stats.wikimedia.org make it appear that we are stagnating, the foundation will not see it as a priority to have the developers handle the big feature requests outstanding for Wikibooks (such as watching a whole book at once), people primarily contributing to Wikipedia will not want to invest time in a "second-class" project, and changes to extensions such as Flagged Revisions will continue to not be discussed with us ahead of time. – Adrignola discuss 00:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Positions at proposals reading room. – Adrignola discuss 23:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js
Hello, I've installed wikt:fr:MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js from wikt:pl:MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js. It adds the text treatment functions: "go to line n°", "change the capitalization", "search and replace" (eventually "replace all"). Sonia (discuss • contribs) 09:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that would be needed. I can click "Advanced" in the Vector toolbar, then on Vector toolbar search-replace button.png to get a search and replace box that allows for case sensitive operations and replacement of all terms. – Adrignola discuss 14:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just developed an additional button to sort alphabetically a list. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 16:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

weird tabs
Hi all, I've had this strange issue with vector on wikibooks recently, where the tabs on vector and the search bar are all duplicated at the bottom of the page below the categories. As I'm currently unable to upload to commons, I can't provide a screenshot- has anyone else had a similar problem? Sonia (discuss • contribs) 09:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It's almost like you have the "Bottom tabs" gadget in Special:Preferences enabled, but as far as I was aware it only worked for Monobook and hadn't been updated for Vector. – Adrignola discuss 14:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it is possible that gadget is enabled. I had updated that gadget to work with both Monobook and Vector some time ago. --dark lama  14:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Might be a problem with the recent maintenance. Have you purged and cleared your cache? Kayau 14:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's the gadget, as Sonia's description matches what I see when enabling it. It was probably updated since Sonia was last here.  I updated the description of it to reflect Darklama's update. – Adrignola discuss 16:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh- I hadn't even realized that was enabled. Thanks all, and sorry for the unnecessary question :P Sonia (discuss • contribs) 05:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Mathematical equation entry
I am wondering what the formatting code is for entry of mathematical equations? I would like to be able to generate formulas in my native math applications and convert them to a code that Wikibooks will understand. Kurtfairfield (discuss • contribs) 00:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You might find this helpful: WikiProject Mathematics. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 02:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

1.17 Update
Some issues I've seen, and I don't know whether or not they are temporary: Template:Navbox is not styled; the protection icons via Template:pp-meta are not in the correct location anymore, the default style of wikitables has changed (good thing, we don't need purple clashing with everything), the Mbox suite is not styled. Very odd because the big thing was a change to JavaScript implementation, not CSS. – Adrignola discuss 13:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope the issues are temporary as well. You could say there are two big changes actually. MediaWiki 1.17 is intended to speed up load time and decrease hits to their servers, if I understand correctly, by combining, compressing, and anticipating what JavaScript and CSS is or is not needed. I believe this second big change is intended to not to have any visibly noticeable affect though, besides people possibly noticing pages load faster. --dark lama  14:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I know what the problem is, though I only know of one solution to fix it. The linked CSS pages at MediaWiki:Common.css are not loading.  Only solution would be to combine them again.  Most Wikimedia sites don't try to do what we are doing here.  I will maybe file a bug report. MediaWiki namespace syntax highlighting can be removed (bug 10871).  – Adrignola discuss 14:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think in theory at least this should be fixable locally without a need to combine them again. Would be a pity if all that effort to make our CSS more manageable and the discussion of specific CSS problems easier went to waste. I think it should be reported as a bug though, as it may be an unintended side effect. If you do decide to report it, make sure to file it as a 1.17 bug. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  15:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Reported as bug 27328. Closed as WONTFIX with comment "Site CSS is loaded from load.php instead of index.php. You have to add "index.php" before the question mark."  That doesn't make sense.  If it's loaded from load.php, shouldn't it have load.php before the question mark?  This gets content, this doesn't, and neither does this.  Maybe it makes sense to you? – Adrignola discuss 15:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem seems to be the minimization library they use does not yet support remapping urls used in import statements. The bug now sits at REOPENED, so hopefully that is a sign someone is now willing to work on it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  19:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * There's an IRC meeting for you to attend, Darklama. – Adrignola discuss 13:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I seem to keep missing those IRC meetings. We should be fine, unless there are any more undocumented surprises. They say the office hour meetings are logged, so I should be able to read through that, if I miss the IRC meeting again. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  14:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I managed to attend the office hour IRC meeting this time. The good news, right now this bug is considered a blocker that will need to be fixed before 1.17 is released. Other than that, I think as a community, we probably need to discuss what if anything to do about scripts in user space. People sometimes copy scripts from other wikimedia projects, and don't keep up with changes made to fix bugs and updates to mediawiki. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  19:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * We don't have any gadgets that reference scripts in user space, but my concern would be whether our gadgets are getting dated, with too many that won't work with Vector (and thus appear to be broken to new users using the default theme and not knowing about Monobook) and whether they will work after the update (or even whether they have been unmaintained and could break any day now&mdash;Whiteknight's Visual Book Designer). Short of using a bot to replace functions that are clear replacements, I feel scripts in user space should be maintained by the user.  If they were created across multiple wikis, Pathoschild has a bot that will update CSS/JS globally for a user seeking to update. – Adrignola discuss 20:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * People asked would things break at the meeting. 1.17 is intended to maintain backwards compatibility according to the mediawiki developers. I think the mediawiki developers don't expect things to break, but will fix them if they do and are reported to bugzilla. The old methods will still be around in 1.17.
 * When Wikibooks was updated to 1.16 I began to update scripts in MediaWiki space to keep on top of things. While I trust the mediawiki developers to keep things working right now, I have doubts the Wikibooks community will be informed should a decision be made to remove the old methods in a future release. I think the best way to avoid surprises is to update sooner rather than later as we know about it.
 * I think scripts in user space should be updated to avoid surprises too, I just don't know whose responsibility we should consider it to be to do so. People may want to know why things aren't working as they use to at some point. Should people be informed before, or should we be dealing with questions later? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you do have a handy-dandy list at WikiProject Users/Tasks. We could place a standardized message on the discussion page of all the users affected by the changes, thus informing them and also heading off any questions later. – Adrignola discuss 22:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ya, I included user pages in that list to make doing whatever is decided easier. Some seem to be copies of Gadgets, which suggest maybe not enough is being done to make people aware of the gadgets. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  13:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Bug closed as fixed in 82218. We are on 82223 and the original relative links don't work. – Adrignola discuss 13:38, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Note for others: the above bug was reopened. – Adrignola discuss 18:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Transwiki imports are semi-broken with the update. See bug 27486. You'll have to choose "all" as the destination namespace to attribute Wikipedia properly as the source, for now, and you can't import to a different namespace than the one you're pulling from. – Adrignola discuss 18:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Books for examination
An IP editor has, over time, created several books that are often poorly translated. Several pages of them were blatant copyright violations of Wikipedia content and I have deleted those pages but others are probably taken only partly from Wikipedia. The content appears to be copied/translated from vi.wikibooks.org given that some of the images used here are used there in books that appear to cover the same topics. This is likely the same editor who created Arithmatics which was moved to Arithmetics and deleted, Mathematics Fundamental which was moved to Mathematics Fundamentals and deleted, and Physics Handbook which was deleted. I deleted the recently-created Electronics Course entirely as it was complete copy-pastes of Electronics Handbook. If this person created an account they could track their contribution history instead of forgetting and creating the same thing four months later under a new IP… Arithmetic Course, Calculus Course, Trigonometry Course, Geometry Course, Electronics Handbook, Physics Course, Digital Electronics, Communication Course are ones I can think of off the top of my head in case anyone sees any other problems that I've missed. – Adrignola discuss 02:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe all these books are being written by a guy called Quach Trung Thanh of Toronto, as several of them have this name as the author on their title page. In 2009 he used the accounts User:Quachtahnh and User:Qtt1964, but since then he has prefered not to log in for some reason. As far as I can tell, he has never actually responded to any comments or requests. You have to admire his persistence though, even if his way of working can be rather exasperating. Recent Runes (discuss • contribs) 21:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Statistics
It's been asked of me before and I recently got a request through OTRS for whether or not there's a tool for seeing page views at Wikibooks (we don't have Statistics). Previously I didn't know of any but I recently heard that a tool normally used just for Wikipedia can be "hacked" to output results for Wikibooks. The interface and forms of the site cannot be used; doing so reverts it back to Wikipedia. Would you believe that 18 of the top 30 spots are held by pages in LaTeX? – Adrignola discuss 00:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Visit http://stats.grok.se/en.b/top for the top 1000 pages and ignore the "Wikipedia article traffic statistics" title.
 * Add the page you want to know about in particular to the end of <tt> http://stats.grok.se/en.b/201102/ </tt> for February statistics. The end is YYYYMM, so you can change the value in the address bar for older months.


 * Wikibooks use to keep track of pretty good statistics useful for book projects, until the format of the data dumps changed from SQL to XML. Would just require motivated individuals to do so again. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  01:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's a rough example of the type of statistics Wikibooks use to have:
 * Increase.svg Cookbook ( +120 )
 * Increase.svg LaTeX ( +50 )
 * Decrease.svg Rubik Puzzles ( -20 )


 * Where the arrow indicated whether contributions went up or down since last time for the given book, and the number in parenthesis represented the contribution difference since last time. I'd like to see such a system in use again. I think it acts as a good motivator and can encourage people. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  10:28, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm motivated and have the latest XML dump, but don't have the technical expertise to know where to go from there. – Adrignola discuss 13:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ya, I was thinking of ways statistics could be made easier for people without the skills to do so. I had thought to file a bug report requesting the statistics at http://stats.wikimedia.org be made available in xml dump form. I found bug #26352 though, which is a request to make statistics available by an API. I think that would be even better. Apparently there are dumps already available at http://dammit.lt/wikistats/ for the page view statistics of all projects. I would like it better if dumps were separated by project though. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  14:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Disappearance of Private WikiBook
I had created a Wikibook that was 56 pages in length. I attempted to create a Chapter and the book suddenly had no content. When I was in a Wikipedia article, the book creator showed that I had 56 pages, however, when I went to add page, the book was empty of content. Are there length restrictions on Wikibooks, and if so, can advance notification be given by the system administrator so that the book can be saved before elimination? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.94.81.35 (discuss • contribs)


 * As confusing as this may seem, any "book" created by the "book creator" at Wikipedia will be at Wikipedia and not at Wikibooks. You are looking for the "book" at the wrong project. Try looking through their "Book" namespace, or in the user namespace under your name at Wikipedia. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  16:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Count me in the group not fond of the naming Wikipedia chose. I even see it as a slight against Wikibooks as now we have Wikipedia Books (Wikipedia:Books) and Wikimedia Books (Wikibooks). – Adrignola discuss 21:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ugh, so when did that appear on WP? Really bad naming choice. --ErrantX (discuss • contribs) 09:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree bad choice for the Collection Extension to use book by default. I think it undermines Wikibooks and dilutes any brand recognition. I also wonder if it is in any way responsible for any decline Wikibooks may have seen. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  13:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm a little distracted by other Wikipedia stuff at the moment - but when I get a chance I'll look into proposing a name change. --ErrantX (discuss • contribs) 14:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Propose a name change of what? The Wikipedia book namespace? I doubt that would succeed. Sven Manguard (discuss • contribs) 06:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Booklet or Collection seems more in order and will not get confused with Wikibooks... --Panic (discuss • contribs) 08:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Booklet is seconded by me. Real reason I am writing this though, is that the Collection extension can easily be modified to allow export to both Open Document Text and to DocBook. Is there a reason that isn't configured in the LocalSettings.php for the Wikibooks project? The XML Book references that the reason there is no support for DocBook for that particular book is that DocBook is to complex. Is there some other reason WikiBooks doesn't allow for export to DocBook and/or ODT? --Sjledet (discuss • contribs) 01:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The XML Bridge extension needed for that is listed as unstable; therefore, it will not be installed in a production Wikimedia wiki. – Adrignola discuss 01:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikibook in Latex
In the math community, most people write things using Latex. Does anyone have an idea on how one could start a wikibook project with people prefering to write Latex documents ? (people would then be more willing to do it, and the final pdf version of the book would be nice and easy to do). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.178.14.78 (discuss • contribs) 17:59, 16 February 2011
 * Almost all maths book here are written in latex I think. Kayau 11:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Our markup for writing formulas is LaTeX-like; see Help:Formulas. On the other hand, many of the concerns involved in writing LaTeX documents (which which I am intimately familiar, as I write everything non-wiki in it myself) do not apply to Wikibooks because Wikibooks is not paper.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 14:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That is really good news ! One more thing I did not understand is the conversion of wikibooks into pdf. Is it automated in some way, or is it done manually ? 128.178.14.78 (discuss)
 * Both. You have to manually add pages to a collection, but once the collection is defined, the PDF is generated automatically.  See Help:Collections for more info.  --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 19:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be greatly appreciated if you do it entirely by hand, then upload it to Wikimedia Commons, though. Using the book creator makes the titles looks strange as Wikibooks uses subpages. Kayau 12:51, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You can use a pipe in the link titles to change the title outputted in the PDF. – Adrignola discuss 13:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? I didn't know that! How do you do it? Kayau 15:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Help:Collections/Advanced for a full explanation. – Adrignola discuss 15:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Must try it out some time. Kayau 14:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

editing and viewing problem
Hi,

I have problem with viewing discussion pages and editing some pages. It is only in english wikibooks and only on some pages. Like here : Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Julia_set.

I see:
 * inactive Talk tab, not active Discussion tab
 * inactive Edit tab
 * active edit link which opens "Editing Null" page

What is a reason of this and how I can resolve it ?

--Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 15:25, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you tried purging? Kayau 16:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * How can I do it ?--Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 16:39, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you mean purge server cache of the page ? I have installed purge gadet and use it - nothing. Made it with firefox preferences - nothing. Use another browser : Chrome - the same effect. --Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 17:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * What skin are you using? Kayau 14:39, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Vector (default)--Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 16:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I've experienced more frequent logouts than usual and occasionally the edit window is pink with white text which makes editing impossible. No idea if it is in any way related though. For the mentioned page, I see no associated discussion. The discussion tab should be inactive when not viewing/editing discussion. The edit tab should be inactive when not editing. Not sure what you mean by "Editing Null" page, but when there is no associated discussion page and you click to view it, you will be in edit mode with no content. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  16:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * When I open the page for a 1-2 seconds I have normal links, but it is changing to
 * Instead of Discussion ( blue text with link) I have Talk ( black text without link )
 * below asterix I have links to:


 * "move" which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:MovePage/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set
 * black text : "edit" ( inactive link)
 * purge which links to http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set&action=purge
 * hist which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/null?action=history
 * edit (discussion) which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/null?action=edit


 * If I manually open:
 * http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set&action=edit


 * Then I can edit page.

--Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 17:55, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * When I have made null edit the same is on this page !!!! Probably it is a is a mechanism to protect from making null edits. How can I invert it ? --Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 18:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you happen to have Six Tabs enabled in your preferences? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  19:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Removing it solved the problem. The script is probably broken. Thx for help. --Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 19:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * That Gadget hasn't been updated to work with Vector yet. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;"><font color="midnightblue">dark lama  20:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Gallery is Misbehaving
The gallery in a drop box is constrained to a very narrow display. Has anybody been 'improving' it recently? 109.156.18.219 (discuss) 20:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It would be very helpful if you provided a page where the concept you are talking about is used. – Adrignola discuss 23:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Basic Physics of Digital Radiography
This message follows that in 11 Jan. 2011.

The first draft of the wikibook is now complete.

marz (discuss • contribs) 13:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you consider it of adequate quality you may suggest promoting it to featured status. Kayau 14:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC)