Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2009/October

Wikibooks and Gutenberg
I download fiction and non-fiction plain .txt files from Gutenberg, restore the chapter titles, recreate the table of contents, format and clean the text and paginate the documents, ready for printing, or onscreen reading. This is one of my hobbies, and I give copies to anyone for their reading enjoyment, in MS Word .doc, .html or .pdf format.

I know that Wikibooks does not accept fiction, and my question is about books like Gibbon's The History of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Is this an acceptable book for the history project? Ineuw (talk) 16:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * For direct copy you should first use Wikisource then request a transwiki to Wikibooks if it bares appropriate content (see What is Wikibooks?) and has the possibility of evolving. --Panic (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. This book is not, and will not evolve, simply because it was written over 200 years ago. :-) Ineuw (talk) 18:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It depends on the book. The age of a work doesn't equate to how static the subject it covers is or how the content can be reformulated. In the subject of The History of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire there are new facts that result in new and failed hypothesis, those could be put into the book's content. In Wikisource it will remain static, traswikis to Wikibooks or Wikipedia can be done later if people wish to use the content.  --Panic (talk) 20:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Panic2k4, a belated thanks for your reply. I jogged over to Wikisource (which is exactly what I was looking for at the time), and did some proofreading. I contribute to various projects on various wikis, and plan to do so here as well, and I put my next question under a new heading. Ineuw (talk) 21:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Help on a Wikibook without a Cover Page
Hello. I came across a Wiki book with a single page and I thought I would expand it with articles from Wikipedia. The book is "Hinduism" and I tried to add a subpage "Etymology of the words Hindu and Hinduism". I used the slash convention and created the category "Hinduism". I cannot work out how to arrange a Cover Page with contents list. Can anyone help. Thanks --Sluffs (talk) 18:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems you have done it already. It looks well, I think. Srhat (talk) 19:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If there ae some pictures on commons related to this book, you can add them to cover page. Srhat (talk) 19:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I eventually worked out how to do it. One other problem I need to address is the "language template" that allows words to appear as Indian characters. I don't know much about language templates or even if they are allowed in a Wiki book. I've added "The Puranas" module which also has all the Wikipedia references intact - do I need to remove them? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --Sluffs (talk) 10:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I brought in Template:Transl which unifies all many templates on Wikipedia providing multilingual support and replaced the references in the Puranas page with references to that template. I also added the necessary classes to the Mediawiki CSS page.  -- Adrignola talk contribs 13:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Adrignola. There's so much to learn about Wiki and searching for specific answers can be a lengthy process. Administrators save editors a lot of time. Thanks for the template and thanks to all the other Admins that have helped me on different Wiki projects. --Sluffs (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The reason for being of the book River Fishing (and why someone might consider contributing)
I have been an avid poster on public forums since I discovered the internet nearly 15 years ago. While internet forums have there ugly moments, they allow me to connect to people whom share my interests. Being in Rural Northwest Pennsylvania, there really isn't so many people willing to share hints or interested in giving hints. Thus by being a nice, courteous participant.. I could ask questions, get information, and connect with people.

of course Internet forums have their down sides; they are often rude, irrelevant, promotional, and self seeking. Often information needs to be said nearly incessantly and older nuggets of information are quickly buried amoungst irrelevant threads. It is clearly a good way to connect with people (which Might not be such a good thing), but a pretty disorganized, and unfocused way to get information. It was with these weakenesses in mind that I explored the wikiproject, (with contributions to wikibook and wikiversity) last year.

Here in wikiMedia, I feel There is a clearly better solution, to the limitations of sharing information on an internet forum. Information from the group; self-serving no one, organized, succinct.. With appropriate places for questions, comments and working out minor differences. I gradually sought to become more involved with my hobbies and interests...

There is just one problem. So far, I see little representation in the wiki-project as a whole for hobbies and (relatively) aim-less interests. Without the group, the whole sharing of information isn't working too well. My own writing skills are mediocre; (Writing skills are not required within internet forums)and the sense of audience is missing. I started the book River_Fishing and pretty much left it after a while. It was not much more than a stub.

Well, I've come back, not so much looking for people but partly motivated to reach a sence of finality with the project... perhaps it might be useful to someone! Certainly as a stub its not very useful to anyone. And who knows perhaps if I'm asked questions during conversations on these forums- I could refer a person to the appropriate page here in Wikibooks.

I close here by reiterated by thought last year; wouldn't it be nice to have a little place in WB for this interesting hobby? someplace where questions can still be asked and people can still disuss things, but also some place where knowledge is kept (and not lost in threads), organized and becomes something useful and helpful for all concerned. IF anybody here is fishermen, even a relatively untalented one, there are more than welcome to help me out. --JoliePA (talk) 16:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you came back. WB needs contributors like you.  I have found that my Wikibooks project has two distinct and largely separate communities.  The first is the people here at WB who visit the reading room, patrol recent changes, and engage in discussions here.  The other is the people who actually use and read my book.  Sometimes my readers cross over and contribute, but that's pretty rare.  I think the "dual communities" thing is not unique though.  --Jomegat (talk) 17:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

translate the wikibook: "Web_2.0_and_Emerging_Learning_Technologies" into Chinese version
I'm teaching education technology in university from NCCU, Taiwan(http://www.nccu.edu.tw/). I would like to translate the wikibook: "Web_2.0_and_Emerging_Learning_Technologies" into Chinese version with my students. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Web_2.0_and_Emerging_Learning_Technologies) Best Regards -- Cestmoihyl (talk) 11:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Fixing the Table of Contents of a book
I want to create a new book but I'd like to have some control on the table of contents. Is it possible ? If someone wants to add a chapter or remove one I must agree.

If it is possible can you give me a link to a page.

Thank you. PY (talk) 19:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC).


 * You can't stop changes to the table of content, any edit falls under the Be bold guideline. What you can do is adopt a convention specific to that project (fallow the normal practice of proposal - time for objections (>7days) - adoption/refusal), for example the proposed convention can state that a discussion to validate such changes is required (see Decision making). Note that a convention that requires your personal consent to such changes will be against the Wikibooks project policy ( local conventions are superseded by Wikibooks policies and guidelines ). --Panic (talk) 20:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Help Book Knowledge Level
Being an MS Access and SQL programmer, I began organizing the Microsoft Access book, to which I intend to contribute as time permits. However, I don't know what user knowledge level do I write to? Also, I specialize in a specific version of the software, and the page title is too general. Any direction would be greatly appreciated. Ineuw (talk) 21:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * See what content is there, what content you are capable of submitting (or merge from other sources), post something on the talk page and establish a scope for the project, see if it can be better referenced with a new title (propose the new title on the book talk page and if not opposed request a title change on the administrative assistance forum).
 * Keep in mind that Wikibooks aren't restricted by space not even by the format they present here and the finalization of a project is near utopian. By definition Wikibooks are always open for editing (you can establish static versions and upload them as PDFs, but few examples exist). A static copy of a version of a Wikibook could be moved to Wikisource after someone publishes it. --Panic (talk) 02:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Panic24,thanks for the advice. Ineuw (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Mandarin Chinese Grammar for Pimsleur Students
I figured that I will not finish this book. It is the whole concept of the book that I dislike, so I wouldn't even want to leave it to someone else to finish. I would like to have the book deleted, and leave tabula rasa for the potential creation of a general Chinese grammar book (which makes more sense to me than a grammar book that only caters to Pimsleur students). If this is okay, I would tackle the deletion within the next days. Stilfehler (talk) 13:40, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In theory, if you are the only contributor to the book, you can tag it with and it can be speedy deleted. Given the amount of content, the "speedy delete" might be declined, in which case you should request the deletion at votes for deletion. Unusual? Quite TalkQu 20:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The main problem with the concept of the book is probably that you have to avoid copyright issues: systematically citing examples from a commercial language course would probably be a copyright violation. This might also be a good reason to delete the book. --Martin Kraus (talk) 08:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Stilfehler (talk) 13:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Restriction of image uploads
I would like to propose restricting image uploads to administrators only and for fair use images only. There are 4,168 GFDL images, 595 GPL images, 369 public domain works, and 753 free screenshots that all have valid licenses and could be moved to Commons with CommonsHelper. I've done so myself for some. There's no point in me doing so if more could be uploaded, however. These images are unable to be used by any other project by keeping them here. Allowing image uploading puts additional burden on our administrators to not only check for licensing, but to also ensure said licensing is valid for the images in question. Administrators on Commons have become experts in their field and the tools on commons are far better suited to handling images. In addition, the fact that people can upload images here means we get a great number of images conflicting with those on Commons, meaning that people can effectively prevent others from using images thought to be generally available. -- Adrignola talk contribs 01:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I advise separating out upload as a separate right, because this would become a PITA as non admins couldn't upload PDFs Geoff Plourde (talk) 02:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Symbol support vote.svg Support. Also worth mentioning in this proposal discussion is that the only reason why we should keep and support fair use images is because they aren't supported on Wikimedia Commons (see their FAQ for the reason]. --Panic (talk) 02:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that would only increase work for admins from requests to upload fair use files. If upload was made a separate right that admins could give out and take from users than perhaps. Wikimedia Commons accepts PDFs too so I don't think what Geoff Plourde raised would be an issue. As an experiment down that road perhaps first uploads could be limited to users with the editors flag? --dark lama  02:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable. Since the project is primarily text based and only editors would require uploading PDFs (mostly as static snapshots of the works), this would avoid errors and permit commons to be used to deal with everyday image issues (granting the right to more experienced/invested users would also reduce issues of verifying the fair use status).  --Panic (talk) 02:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Darklama, this is wikibooks, Commons may appreciate the PDF files, but people would be snickering as to why the books aren't on the bookcase. Geoff Plourde (talk) 02:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I support restricting the rights in some way. I'd prefer it to be to those with the editor right or a separate upload right rather than Admins only. We do, however, allow uploading of personal images (e.g., for a user page) that the user may not want to put on Commons. Not sure if this is a big issue. Unusual? Quite TalkQu 08:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say uploads of images for personal use on user pages was allowed. I think that is another problem area. WB:HOST and image requirements would both disqualify them. Of course that is another area of repeated discussion. --dark lama  13:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If they lack licensing, I've deleted pictures used on user pages just as if they were used elsewhere in the wiki. -- Adrignola talk contribs 14:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure, I delete them too. I meant sending people over to Commons to upload a personal image would possibly discourage them from doing so (a properly licensed personal image that is) - was that a big problem? Of course, the other issue with this proposal is we then create loads of work for Admins at Commons dealing with our problem - i.e., handling incorrectly licensed media uploaded by Wikibooks contributors. They might not be pleased! Unusual? Quite TalkQu 14:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I support disabling uploads of images to Wikibooks. Keep it simple, stupid! ;) --Martin Kraus (talk) 11:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Symbol oppose vote.svg I'm not so sure this is a great idea. (I no longer oppose this restriction - Jomegat (talk) 02:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)) Book covers really don't belong at the Commons, as they aren't generally applicable. Several people have "About the Author" pages in their user space, and I could see them not wanting their pictures so broadly available.  As for them not being allowed, I have never seen that as a policy, and I think having author images is highly useful (especially when arranging meet-ups with fellow Wikimedians).  The Board of Trustees election features images of the candidates too.   Restricting rights should be the last option exercised for solving a problem, and I just don't see that this is a huge one.  I don't think it warrants the restriction anyhow. --Jomegat (talk) 14:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Your very example with the candidates, when examined, shows that many of the candidates are using pictures hosted at Commons. If a picture is using a license compatible with commons, there's nothing prohibiting me or someone else (as far as I'm aware) from using CommonsHelper to move it and then delete the local copy.  Also, why wouldn't someone want their picture at Commons to easily use it on their user pages across all projects? -- Adrignola talk contribs 14:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That example was intended to demonstrate that hard-core Wikimedians do upload their own images to Wikimedia servers. New Wikibookians may not want their images as widely available, but I would concede the point that we could force them to upload those to the Commons.  But take a look at who mostly does this - class projects.  They are new to WB, and adding an additional barrier to their participation here seems like an ill-advised move.  Those are exactly the people we want to attract to this project.  As to why they wouldn't want them available for all WM projects, I think I can make a case for that.  They may want to test the waters here before jumping into the larger WM ocean.  When I started here, I wanted to be about as low-key as I could, not wanting to advertise my presence far and wide, and I certainly did not want to attract any attention.  I had no idea if the folk here were friendly or hostile (turns out they are friendly!) Once I was comfortable here, I was willing to branch out to other projects. IMO, this project is already hard enough for the newbie without us erecting more barriers to participation. --Jomegat (talk) 14:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure hardcore Wikimedians upload images of themselves, but they need to be properly licensed. Images "for personal use" aren't compatible with WMFs licensing requirements. I think the barrier for new Wikibookians is that they don't understand there is no difference in using an image uploaded to Wikimedia Commons because often times new Wikibookians ask "How do I use an image I've uploaded to Commons?" The upload link could be made to point directly to Wikimedia Commons' upload forum to reduce confusion on what needs to be done to upload files there which I think would reduce any barriers for new Wikibookians. --dark lama  18:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If that could be done, then I would agree that it would remove the barriers to which I object. It would also remove my objections. --Jomegat (talk) 20:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed it can be done. I did some research and it looks like $wgUploadNavigationUrl is just the thing we need.  It should have http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload rather than the link shown in the example, however. -- Adrignola talk contribs 13:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment Since vfd on the Template:GFDL-presumed as been rightfully closed due to the prioritization of the steps, even that the discussion seemed not to be only about the template but all tagged files (at least I thought that was the debate). A question (that runs parallel and was the precursor to this proposal discussion) needs to be resolved. What should we do with those images tagged with that template. Should we re-tag them with and re-notify the creators so we can delete any unlicensed images ? --Panic (talk) 02:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I strongly believe that uploads to Wikibooks should be allowed. Registered users should be allowed, that is mainly what the group is for. Arlen22 (talk) 02:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The proposal is not for preventing uploads to Wikibooks (the discussion is lengthy and maybe something have escaped you). As a simplification to what was already said consider an alternative thread/proposal name like "Avoid the duplication of efforts with Commons" or "Free Wikibooks images from Wikibooks".
 * Do you have any reason not to want others outside Wikibook to use "our" images or see anything positive in duplicating the work of Commons on Wikibooks with a cost of time to the administrators and an extra layer of abstraction to Wikipediasn in general for using commons images on Wikibooks ? --Panic (talk) 02:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, but I think it would be better to just simply make it a policy instead of restricting upload rights. Arlen22 (talk) 17:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Changing $wgUploadNavigationUrl in LocalSettings.php will simply direct them to Commons, which has a much better system set up. Only making it policy still requires enforcement of whatever the policy might be.  When I first proposed this I wasn't aware we could change the URL with the aforementioned setting, but changing the URL means restrictions aren't needed because they would only apply here, not at Commons.  -- Adrignola talk contribs 17:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OOOOkkkkaaaayyyy we could maybe do that. But what about book covers. I used wikibooks to design the cover for Messier Index but not all covers can be done that way. How would we handle that. Arlen22 (talk) 12:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * When you say design I think you meant upload or use. That remains the same the only change would be the repository of the files, I don't see how it could be a problem with any cover... --Panic (talk) 15:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I meant what I said. Check it out. Messier Index/Cover Arlen22 (talk) 14:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The cover you made for Messier Index uses images from Commons. Should someone want to create an original image, it can be uploaded to Commons.  -- Adrignola talk contribs 14:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant that instead of drawing it using Inkscape or PictureIt, I made it using a  tag. Arlen22 (talk) 19:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I agree with restricted uploads on Wikibooks. Arlen22 (talk) 19:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Otherwise, I don't have a problem with it. It would eliminate some problems. But it should be a available to Admins so they can upload fair-use images and book covers. Otherwise, I heartily support it. Thanks for reminding me about this discussion, Panic, I had my mind on other things and saw an email saying you had edited my talk page. Arlen22 (talk) 12:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Now that I look at it, I think that we could change the link, but still have the special page available, and have an uploader right (I think we might have that already). This would be better. But what would we do with registered users? Arlen22 (talk) 12:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * While I think this is a good idea in general, I strongly recommend setting this up as a usergroup (like "Uploader"), rather than restricting to admins. It could also easily be set up as revocable by either admins or 'crats, if there's any concern about that. -- SB_Johnny  talk 15:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking there was an uploader group already. But there is none, you are right. We could do that. There is an import group already, not upload. Arlen22 (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Are we going to allow personal pictures on Wikibooks or not? Arlen22 (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Why should we? This point was already covered above and there is already viable solutions to reduce the barriers to Wikibookians. The images would be ok on commons.
 * If you feel that all your points have now been resolved or have been given a viable resolution, please consider altering you vote so we can work out the details and start reducing duplications and move some of the pictures to commons this in itself will take some time. --Panic (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank-you, all my questions have been answered now. As for Registered Users, that is also good for other stuff, this would not render it useless. Arlen22 (talk) 17:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, this closes any of the objections put forward so far. Some solutions were given to the raised issues and the last post to the thread was done in 14 Sep. So I'm moving for a close on this proposal as adopted if no new objection is raised in the next 7 days. --Panic (talk) 20:37, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

This proposal by User:Adrignola in 4 August 2009 should now be considered as adopted without any standing opposition. A resume of the positions and solution expressed above and resulting pending tasks by steps (if something is missing or can be better stated, feel free to correct it). --Panic (talk) 02:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The upload page will be redesigned so to indicate Wikibookians to use Commons by changing $wgUploadNavigationUrl in LocalSettings.php will simply direct them to Commons.
 * All the images and PDFs GFDL, GPL, public domain works, and free screenshots that have valid licenses should be moved to Commons with CommonsHelper.
 * Local Image uploads will be restricted to fair use images only.
 * Image uploads will be by default restricted to administrators+ (they will have the flag on by default).
 * Adminstration will create a separate right/usergroup (like "Uploader") that can then be requested/given to other registered Wikibookians.
 * A standard solution to address conflicting images with those on Commons must be created.
 * Any files still using the Template:No license, Template:Nfur, Template:No license alternate or Template:Nld should be deleted and the templates merged/deleted. We should probably add Template:GFDL-presumed files to that list too.


 * Posted to Bugzilla as bug 21011. -- Adrignola talk contribs 04:13, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Volunteers still needed
Hi all, Although we soon will remove the centralnotice that is up, the Wikimedia Foundation is still looking for volunteers to serve as subject area experts or to sit on task forces that will study particular areas and make recommendations to the Foundation about its strategic plan. You may apply to serve on a task force or register your name as an expert in a specific area at http://volunteer.wikimedia.org.

The Foundation's strategy project is a year-long collaborative process which is hosted on the strategy wiki, at http://strategy.wikimedia.org. Your input is welcome (and greatly desired) there. When the task forces begin to meet, they will do their work transparently and on that wiki, and any member of the community may join fully in their work. This process is specifically designed to involve as many community members as possible.

Any questions can be addressed to me either on my talk page here or on the strategy wiki or by email to philippe at wikimedia.org.

I hope you'll consider joining us!

(strategy:User:Philippe) 01:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Deleting a new book
I am totally new to Wikibooks but I tried to create a new book named: Visual Prolog for Windows but I didn't understood how it works so I typed  Visual Prolog 7.2 for Windows I want to delete the book. I saw the sandbox reference but I didn't know how to access it but now I am starting to get it. So how can I delete the book ? It is totally empty.

I don't want to pollute the site with junk. I hope I am in the right section. PY (talk) 19:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC).


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikibooks. Only administrators can delete books. To request deletion you put at the top of the page and an administrator will delete it for you (I've deleted the one you requested to be deleted). The sandbox can be found by entering "WB:Sandbox" in the Search box or by clicking here Unusual? Quite TalkQu 18:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * An easier way is to use redirect instead of deletion. For example the page could say #REDIRECT Visual Prolog for Windows . SunCreator (talk) 15:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts on Simple English Wikijunior?
I say go for it and let kids understand it more simpiler i support this idea but i talked with jomegat and said this will not likely happen but just wanted to throw this out there. Seabanks (talk) 06:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Wikijunior should already be using English of a simpler nature. And there's already enough confusion out there with people believing Wikijunior and Simple English Wikibooks have the same target audience.  The niche positioning of a Wikijunior within Simple English Wikibooks would be even harder to distinguish for those people.  On a practical level, creating a sub-project of a project that is not that active in the first place will proceed slowly at best. -- Adrignola talk contribs 12:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This is something that should be discussed by the Simple English Wikibooks community. My two cents though is that a Simple English Cookbook would be the way to go first. --dark lama  14:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Cover for my wikipedia manual
Hello all, I need a cover for my manual to wikipedia, if you can help, thanks!--Roadgeek55 (talk) 22:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Dropimage show/hide link
The link takes up too much space. Ever since it was improved by somebody, there has been an excessive space to the right of the link, within the heading box.

See the examples in Making_Templates_A101 and I think that you will agree that it was better before. The only change that is needed really is to place the link close to the right margin of the header box. I assume that this is done in the NavFrame script set but I cannot do this myself; my lack of experience with this writing this script and having no access.

Perhaps an admin would know whether this idea would be better. I mean, is there an existing option to change the position of the link? Maybe an option could be made in the script to allow it.

While I realise that the trend is towards the use of collapsible tables, I nonetheless would appreciate any assistance in making the improvement. Regards, Armchair (talk) 19:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikijunior:Nazi Germany
Just asking for a little help with the book. I added the intro, leaders, and who stopped nazi germany still needs more work to be done though as it is a stub and needs images. 72.73.125.14 (talk) 12:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

IB Diploma
Hey, I recently came across a page to do with the International Baccalaureate Course, one that I am currently taking. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/IB I've found it really useful so far, only there is a lot on it that hasn't been completed and thus leaves a lot of content unaccounted for. If anyone has any information that they could use to contribute towards this, it would be greatly appreciated. Irandill (talk) 11:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)Irandill

plz i need solution
Write a C++ program to implement employee directory, which will let the organization to perform the following functions:

1)	Insert the record of new employee 2)	Delete the record of an existing employee 3)	Find the record of an existing employee 4)	Display Report

Following information of each employee will be stored

Employee ID: an integer value to store the unique id for each employee Employee Name: the name of each employee. Employee Address: Address of each employee Employee Salary: a float value to store salary of each employee.

Hint:

Following information of each employee will be stored

Employee ID: an integer value to store the unique id for each employee Employee Name: the name of each employee. Employee Address: Address of each employee Employee Salary: a float value to store salary of each employee.

You can use the following structure to store the information of a single employee:

Struct Employee {

Int empID; Char *empName; Char *empAddress; Float empSalary; Employee * pNext; }Following is the sample interaction:

Welcome to employee directory:

1)	Insert New employee 2)	Find employee 3)	Delete a record 4)	Display Report 5)	Exit Enter your choice: 1

Enter EmpID: 1 Enter EmpName: Ali Enter EmpAddress: VU, Lahore Enter Emp Salary: 20000 Record successfully inserted (Press any Key to continue….)

After the user presses any key the screen will be cleared and the menu will be displayed again.

Welcome to employee directory:

1)	Insert New employee 2)	Find employee 3)	Delete a record 4)	Display Report 5)	Exit Enter your choice: 3 (Now user enters 3) Enter EmpID: 1 Record successfully deleted (Press any key to continue…) After user presses any key the screen will be cleared and menu will be displayed again.

Welcome to employee directory:

1)	Insert New employee 2)	Find employee 3)	Delete a record 4)	Display Report 5)	Exit Enter your choice: 2 (Now user enters 3) Enter EmployeID: 1 Employee successfully deleted (Press any key to continue…) After user presses any key the screen will be cleared and menu will be displayed again

Welcome to employee directory:

1)	Insert New employee 2)	Find employee 3)	Delete a record 4)	Display Report 5)	Exit Enter your choice: 4 (Now user enters 4)

EmpID		EmpName		EmpAddress		EmpSalary 2			Raza			VU, Lahore		20000 3			Waseem		VU, Lahore		25000 5			Aslam			VU, Lahore		20000

Press any key to continue… After user presses any key the screen will be cleared again and menu will be displayed

Welcome to employee directory:

6)	Insert New employee 7)	Find employee 1)	Delete a record 2)	Display Report 3)	Exit Enter your choice: 5 (Now user enters 5) Are you sure, you want to exit(y/n) y Program exited if user presses “y” and menu will be displayed again if user presses “n”


 * This looks like a standard assignment for a student of a C/C++ computer course. It would do you no good, if I was to do the assignment for you, as a student it is your duty to yourself to attempt to program this assignment using the information presented previously in the course. What you don't learn how to do on your own, will come back to haunt you when you attempt to do something even more complicated.--Graeme E. Smith (talk) 15:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)