Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/2014/March

Abd
Please stop this user from continuing his stalking and harassment campaign against me. He has brought over many crosswiki issues and disputes and disrupted the work done here on Wikibooks for retaliation against perceived slights; he made his intentions clear over the declaration to "monitor" (read: stalk) my contributions and continue to purposefully annoy and harass me for his own purposes. His presence here has already done much damage, and I am apalled by the lack of administrative intervention. TeleComNasSprVen (discuss • contribs) 02:38, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What you are describing is something that would be difficult for an administrator to observe; a highly distributed pattern of behavior is hard to reconstruct after the fact, so might be apparent to you as you experience it but not so readily apparent to someone else after the fact. Keeping that in mind,
 * Can you give specific examples of the sort of disruption you're talking about?
 * Can you suggest how someone else, looking back after the fact, could reconstruct the overall pattern of behavior you are describing?
 * What sort of preventative adminsitrative action do you think would apply to the situation?
 * --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 03:45, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Previous pattern of harassment against other editors: Meta, enwv 1, enwv 2
 * Previous ban discussions regarding his behavior: enwiki, Meta, enwv
 * Generally denying he sees anything problematic with his behavior
 * Dispute on at least three other wikis: see my Meta talkpage, my Wikiversity Beta talkpage before blankings, my enwv talkpage
 * Intention to continue "monitoring" me and carrying over his Self-Righteous Personal Feud™ despite my earlier warning that the Wikibooks community doesn't take too kindly to dramafests being imported onto their wiki and my recommendation that we keep the disruption localized to one wiki (Meta). TeleComNasSprVen (discuss • contribs) 04:09, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * TCNSV and Abd have an ongoing, cross-wiki dispute. I recommend that they both drop their sticks and move on. Ajraddatz (discuss • contribs) 04:10, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * @Ajraddatz I don't think you understand. I've already tried that solution and he insists on attacking me on any wiki where he is allowed to with these gigantic warnings on my talkpage. The only wiki he probably has not taken to attack me so far is English Wikipedia, and that's only because of the block in place there. TeleComNasSprVen (discuss • contribs) 04:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Ajr, I'm feeling much discomfort over his following me around. If you have it within your power, please ask one of the senior stewards or any local community admins you see us feuding on and ask for an interaction ban. You have no idea how sick and tired and frustrated I have been over all this, even when at times I elected to respect Abd's wish to be left undisturbed after he left Meta. TeleComNasSprVen (discuss • contribs) 04:18, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Apologies actually, I forgot that the warning on your talkpage (here or on some wiki) was by him and not the other way around. My personal recommendation is that you just ignore him - if he sends you warnings, don't respond. Just don't interact to the best of your ability. Stuff like this doesn't really help, but instead continues it. @Abd, I suggest you also look at and follow this advice. Ajraddatz (discuss • contribs) 04:47, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Proposed solution at minimum: a stern warning that he is not to carry personal disputes with other editors onto other wikis. Future behavior would likely get him a block. TeleComNasSprVen (discuss • contribs) 04:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * This is Wikibooks. A user's contributions elsewhere should generally be irrelevant and a fresh start given to all those who come here.--ЗAНИA [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]]talk 10:51, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * True up to a point. At Wikinews, we have occasionally had good luck with contributors who had already gotten themselves into deep trouble on Wikipedia through misbehavior.  However, that sort of fresh-start approach only applies as long as the user does not bring their misbehavior from elsewhere to the local project.  If cross-wiki harassment were brought to a local project, that ought not to be tolerated.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Harassment of any kind isn't acceptable. The cross wiki nature is almost irrelevant - if someone turns up here with the sole purpose of harassing another editor, then the fact that they have harassed them elsewhere is almost irrelevant as the action would still be the same... QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 16:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What was said by the last two contributors seems right but that's the point. It's a person's behaviour here that counts.  When you spot one mistake you assume good faith as you would with any new editor rather than analysing their edits on other wikis.  Maybe you could analyze the edits elsewhere after several problems but not straight away.  If our actions on Wikipedia directly affected our image on Wikibooks then I would likely have been blocked just as many times here as I was (many, many years ago) on Wikibooks.--ЗAНИA [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]]talk 19:58, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Say "give the benefit of the doubt" rather than "assume good faith". The grey area to watch out for is when a local action is part of a larger pattern that isn't visible unless one steps back to see the wider context.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 11:21, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Stream of user talk page creations
Around an hour ago they finished with User:Cir00004. Others include User talk:LittleBlondeLottie‎. It's a stream of people adding an opening message to their talk pages or user pages. Any idea what it might be? There appear to be about 30 of them within 4 minutes. Maybe some kind of class project or vandals creating talk pages so that their accounts don't appear to be as new when they later choose to vandalise?--ЗAНИA talk 11:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that the pages are related to a class project but pages like User_talk:GregXenon01 seem very strange with a very active conversation including mentions of edit conflicts yet none of the editors have any significant edits.--ЗAНИA [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]]talk 21:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * User:Xania, looking at there userpage, we can tell that they are a class, doing a project on Wikibooks. At there userpages, they state "student at Starling University". So they must be doing some project at Wikibooks, which the students and teachers are at Starling University. I do not object classes on Wikibooks here, but the best place to do class assignments are at Wikiversity.


 * Well, on topic, they have been quite troublesome, with a few users creating userpages that are not there own. More on when this activity continues. --goldenburg111 (talk) 21:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikibooks is used extensively for class projects where the project is to write a textbook - this is a perfectly acceptable use for Wikibooks and should be here, not Wikiversity. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 08:46, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * QuiteUnusual, I was just very confused as they appeared to be having a lively conversation about their work, edit conflicts, etc. despite not having made any edits. --ЗAНИA [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]]talk 10:52, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes I felt the same. I suspect they've been told to create accounts ready to start a project... I'll be keeping an eye on it. The first steps of a class project are usually a real problem: misplaced pages; copyright violations; etc. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 10:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Mediawiki:Blockipsuccesstext
Special:IPBlocklist is a redirect to Special:Blocklist. Moreover, this message appears not only for IP blocks, but account blocks as well. It's better if it is something like "See block list to review blocks.", imo. --Glaisher (discuss • contribs) 09:39, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I've adapted the en.wiki version that is much more comprehensive. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 10:54, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is much better. Thank you, --Glaisher (discuss • contribs) 11:51, 19 March 2014 (UTC)