User talk:Webaware/Archive 5


 * Archives July 2007 - September 2007

WB:RFA
With seven days of all positive support votes, you are now a sysop here. Congrats. -within focus 21:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I promise to use the tools wisely. Webaware talk 23:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats from me too, good hands -- Herby talk thyme 06:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Bloody 'ell that was quick. I know you have your own but shout if you need a hand with anything - cheers -- Herby  talk thyme 06:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You can be sure I'll be asking a few questions! cheers, Webaware talk 06:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Congraulations. :)  --Iamunknown 19:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, mate :-) Webaware talk 23:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

BTW
Living in Bangkok/Standard Housing - Wikibook or just advertising? -- Herby talk thyme 07:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, dunno. I thought it might be, but wanted to see where the book was going. Perhaps you could have a word with the author? Webaware talk 07:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm lazy!
When I see a spambot page like the one you deleted earlier I tend to do a week's block. Unlikely to affect anyone and quicker (IMO) than placing a tag. Once in a while the same IP gets used again and a longer block looks worthwhile - I've picked up a couple recently. I know a few others work like that & a few don't . I placed a message on the Bangkok user's page btw - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 07:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, OK ... I had planned to do exactly that, but ... I haven't deleted a spambot page yet. Or have I? Just looked at delete logs for me, and can't spot it. ??? Webaware talk 07:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Umbraco/Samples and Articles/Templates/w/index.php? -- Herby talk thyme 07:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, that. I didn't pick that as SPAM - just some weird expression of kudos to the authors of the Umbraco book. Webaware talk 07:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They tend to look like that - maybe check out WB:SALT as it is a page you may find useful after deleting things a few times (uses cascade protection). Gives some examples of the **** there is.  Cheers -- Herby  talk thyme 08:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, a lot of that looks like simple newbie junk, rather than SPAM. Perhaps your definition is somewhat broader than mine, or else I'm just missing something (it's late arvo Friday here, so brain is bordering on mush... should really stop working and rip open a cold one, waddyareckon?) Webaware talk 08:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * OK - I guess I'm following others here but the .php and/or inclusion of "/" I have been led to believe (!!) was bot style stuff - more than happy to be found wrong (tho how would they occur otherwise maybe?). Not sure about the "cold one" with the cereal tho!  Take care -- Herby  talk thyme 08:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I guess I'll follow your lead on this. Oh, and beer is barley, so that counts as cereal, doesn't it? :-) cheers, Webaware talk 09:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not unlike Sue - 5 portions of fruit a day - one is the apple sitting on her desk!!! (She does veg - I do fruit). Enjoy the "cereal" -- Herby  talk thyme 09:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hum
Got a feeling this may be the usual from the usual! I can't find it at present and will take another look when I've time but at present the weather is the gardening variety! Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 13:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, and a few others besides. I keep a watch on RC and follow along behind when I get a chance... Webaware talk 15:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry - "teaching granny to suck eggs" I guess , still sunny, gone back out. Bedtime for you I think - getting close to wine time for me! -- Herby talk thyme 15:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Always happy to hear of a new way to suck eggs. But enough of the "granny", eh? ;-) Webaware talk 01:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Damn - it's me that is older isn't it - getting forgetful these days! -- Herby talk thyme 07:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

My first admin question
has a ton of images that are (apparently) all without license information. They're used in Diagnostic Radiology and were supposed to get deleted in November of 2006 by Wikibooks:WikiProject:Image Cleanup (according to the notice at the top of the front page). User:Barsathi has had plenty of warnings, but I wanted to make sure I'm right to delete all these pictures - it'll rip the book to shreds, which sucks. What do you think?  – Mike.lifeguard  | talk 02:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * G'day Mike, I've been holding off on those images for exactly those reasons. By rule, they should go, but it would rip the book to shreds as you say. The user hasn't registered an email address with Wikibooks either, so we can't email them to ask anything. I reckon we get consensus on one of the staff lounge pages, as I'd hate to be the one to trash that book.
 * Regarding the Image Cleanup project in general, I had a run-in with that project last year because they were indiscriminately deleting images without checking for replacements on Commons, working up PD/GFDL replacements of simplistic images, or contacting the original uploaders. Worse, they were unlinking images that later proved to be OK or easily replaceable, thus making it difficult to restore these images into the books that used them.
 * I'd advise that you don't rush into deleting lots of images - take time to assess each one, check for replacements on Commons, see if they can be replaced with Wikimarkup (e.g. tables or mathml), etc. before ripping the heart out of a book. Webaware talk 02:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I asked everyone what they thought: WB:AN  – Mike.lifeguard  | talk 03:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
Heh. Considering that I've been a registered editor on this site two years and two days longer than you, I think I should be welcoming you. So, welcome to Wiki Books, Webaware. Have a look around, and have a good time. Ben Brockert 11:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and good to see you contributing something! I hope you got something from the links. cheers, Webaware talk 14:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It will be ok
They are from Wikipedia so know everything anyway -- Herby talk thyme 12:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Web analytics for wikibooks?
Hi! Is there a way to add web analytics support like Google Analytics to wikibooks? I would like to gather the analytics in Google Analytics for which I need to embed a small script in all the page of More C%2B%2B Idioms wikibook. Please let me know if there is a way. Thanks. -- Sutambe talk


 * G'day Sutambe, not that I know of. You might be best asking that question on Staff lounge/Technical Chat. cheers, Webaware talk 00:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Damn
Administrators%27_noticeboard - any idea what I got wrong? Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 10:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * PEBKAC? Webaware talk 10:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Herbythyme/Sandbox & translate?! -- Herby talk thyme 10:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok - my bad! Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 10:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not a link. Try putting "http://" in front of it. Oh, and PEBKAC. Webaware talk 10:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - got there in the end! And I thought it was something like that but IIRC there is a shorter version (& it was the brain that was the issue - or lack of it!).  Thanks (& for the links - I'll get back to you on that) -- Herby  talk thyme 10:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Deleting Pages
Hiya! Thanks for the info, I managed to get the page deleted! :-)

Runningfridgesrule 13:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

IP range
That range has now been doing the same sort of thing on en quote for info - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 07:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So, going to try a range block then? Just on the three, say. Oh, but I see "now" means sometime this year, not "just now". I also note that one of those IPs has been used for Good, not Evil, on WQ this year. Again, I point out the virtue of short blocks where the IP address is dynamically allocated... Webaware talk 07:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Grumpy old git! The blocks are recent!  Dynamic ips - I agree they should be short - however not just because they claim to be dynamic.  For example one on Commons has been editing the same material all year and similar on en wp so I consider the "claim" to be dynamic is not likely to be true.  Something about "you shall know them by their deeds" IIRC -- Herby  talk thyme 07:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The blocks are recent, but the activity on those IPs was May and June, nothing in July. As for deeds, all edits on this one before 18 May were positive. Regarding dynamic IP allocation, APNIC shows them as Optus, which is a major cable, DSL and dial-up provider in Australia, and the block is "ALLOCATED PORTABLE" (i.e. dynamically allocated, not assigned). Just sayin'... Webaware talk 07:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Info appreciated. I'll make sure nothing too harsh happen to it on en quote too.  The apnic link is good and I'll keep that for future use.  Must get coffee! -- Herby  talk thyme 07:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at the links on the bottom of an IP's talk page - a nice range of tools, including the APNIC link (Asia-Pacific). Go get coffee, I'm off to see if there's an open bottle of red or whether I need to open one... Webaware talk 08:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Attack vandals
Plus page move/mumfum etc - feel free to indef them always. Same IP attacked me on Meta within the last week. CU usually advisable too tho if I'm around I always check block logs! Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 12:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Good point. I did wonder about that, but I had checked the box for blocking the latest IP used by that user, and there was no additional information regarding the IP - e.g. I couldn't see whether it was dynamically allocated, nor could I specify separately what the IP block's expiry was, so I decided to go with 3 months as a compromise. Thoughts? Webaware talk 14:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess I work on indef blocks on inappropriate username, vandal only accounts, page move accounts, graphics accounts, attack accounts. This is the issue with needing CU because all you can do is autoblock the IP for a day (& always worth doing that).  Then grab a friendly CU (if they haven't seen it).  For me such info is shareable with those I trust and a blocking admin always comes under that heading.  In practice you can now see both IPs anyway.  I can't find a lot on them across wiki.  The first was used to create accounts on Meta, the second has been used on a couple of other wikis recently for vandal purposes (a very useful aspect of the CU log is that it is searchable!).  I'm guessing both are compromised IPs.  Happy to supply any other info if I can - cheers -- Herby  talk thyme 14:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, but I know that you patrol block logs, if for no other reason than for checking up on cross-wiki vandalism. Is it worth going further and bringing something to your attention, or better to just block the user indefinitely and leave the IP to you? Without CU, I only have the option of blocking or not blocking the IP for the same period as the user, and I'm a little uncomfortable about indefinite blocks on IPs that may be dynamically allocated. I'd rather block the IP and the user simultaneously, as you suggest - but not if it means an indef block on an IP I can't inspect. (no, I don't want CU!) Webaware talk 14:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess "don't assume" I'll get there maybe. I should but....  Autoblock is only 24 hours (see me bit above) - you have no choice on the length of IP block time - 24 hours or nothing - all you indef is the username (autoblock for vandal accounts as it gives time to CU).  DL has come up with the fact that they are tor/open proxies anyway now and has reblocked them here (I've done them elsewhere and informed others).  Cheers -- Herby  talk thyme 15:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, beaut! Then indef it is! :-) I can go block-happy with impunity! cheers, Webaware talk 15:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

New Pages
Thanks for the Muggle update. That Deathly Hallows book page will most likely be the main target for vandalism and new content and I hope to work on it when I can. -within focus 14:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update. I also agree that there are too many sssssounds when you add "s's". -within focus 12:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update. I might stop leaving these if we get too many of them. -within focus 11:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm big and ugly enough now to not need confirmation that you read your talk page :-) cheers, Webaware talk 15:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Just letting you know what i answered on Withinfocus' talk page, about the new page for Chapter 21 of Deathly Hallows: "Well, the new chapters are easy to find using Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books/Deathly Hallows... They are simply those pages not marked as previously visited. :-D Btw, Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Characters/Xenophilius Lovegood is new too." Nevertheless, thank you for keeping an eye on the Guide. -- Jokes Free4Me 05:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries, and no reply necessary - I just find 'em and list 'em. cheers, Webaware talk 07:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Spamlist
Hiya - brain gently kicking in (cereal next). I realised the spam list is great and then wondered what it would look like in a year's time! Don't think much is needed but some idea of why we placed something in it may be useful later? Equally (as someone challenged me on Meta) if anyone has to answer why something is there? Hope the weekend is good - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 06:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * By definition, it's in there because it was used to SPAM Wikibooks, unless listed under the cross-wiki bit. Perhaps, however a date listed would be good? Then we could clean out old listings easily.
 * Hope the UK floods aren't troubling you, it looks quite bad from this side of the planet. Much like it looked around here about 2 months ago, in fact. Water, water, everywhere, but... Webaware talk 07:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Our part of the world - usually wet - isn't too bad but I know people who have been affected in varying was. Also they are beginning to talk about the "long term effects" (ie money) so tax, insurance etc looks like rises (some big sums involved) and there are currently dire warnings on food prices to come.  I think we are probably around 100 metres above river level so if it reached us there would be a few more problems! (spam answered on board) cheers -- Herby  talk thyme 09:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Good to hear you're above water at least. Money comes and goes, but there's nothing much fun about losing all your memories to flooding. Take care, Webaware talk 10:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

The Tongue Untied
I agree with all of that besides #2, which I've never heard of before. I didn't think the following word determined the use of "'s". Good link though, thanks. -within focus 01:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Having just read this page this morning, I have a vague recollection of #2 from when I was failing English at high school (it never made as much sense to me as maths and the sciences). It certainly wasn't how I approached singular common noun possessives when I went to bed last night! Webaware talk 01:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandal account
CU'd, blocked, OP quite possibly but I can't prove it - thanks & cheers -- Herby talk thyme 13:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, the user name sounded familiar but I don't know where/when from. cheers, Webaware talk 13:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Bill DePill
I like how the template message you left him says he can come back after the block expires yet the block is infinite. We may one day want a more accurate block template for this situation, but it's still funny. Reminds me of how Chuck Norris counted to infinity ... twice. -<font color="#000000">within <font color="#7A7A7A">focus 14:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * yeah, I noticed that after I saved the page... and figured, "OK, I wonder how long he'll wait?" Webaware talk 14:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Klseifert
Thanks for the changes and the tips re formatting. I am new to using Wikitext conventions and make mistakes in spite of having used the sandbox, etc.

(When I opened the wikibook this morning, I thought at first that the formatting problems had cured themselves miraculously!) Klseifert 13:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries, always happy to help! cheers, Webaware talk 14:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Commons Ticker
Thanks, they're taken care of. -- xixtas talk 03:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. Looks good to me. -- xixtas  talk 15:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Spam
Knowing your love of quality meat products!! Check out this tool when you next spot a bot page (or indeed any interesting IP vandalism). Brings a great deal more information into the frame. Some of those bots have been REAL busy and I'm now basing my blocking on the cross wiki impact as well as local (I'm preventatively blocking ones I find that seem to be active across wikis). (courtesy of Az1568) cheers -- Herby talk thyme 12:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooh, that's a goodie - TYVM! A nice little time saver. I have to admit that I've returned to an oldie, Sam Spade 1.14. Unsupported for some time now, but still pretty handy. Should be easy to find with a Google search (but not at the original website any more). Webaware talk 13:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Monopoly - the Mega Edition
I may not have created an account but the fact that you've labeled and then deleted the pages I've added as spam is pretty petty. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.223.157 (talk • contribs) 2007-09-08T05:20:58.


 * G'day, I had to dig a bit, but I see that you are referring to the Mega Edition of Monopoly. I deleted that page, and references to it, because it was plain and simple an advertisement. If you want to rewrite it as a tutorial, it might be acceptable - but please refer to WB:WIW before adding it again. Webaware talk 16:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)