User talk:Webaware/Archive 2


 * Archives January 2007 - February 2007

Schematics
If you have a certain Linux distro or Mac OS X, I found a GNU General Public licensed schematic editor at http://www.geda.seul.org/download.html. (Check out Schematic, Circuit diagram and the "see also" and "external links" sections.) I unfortunately do not have access to a Linux or Mac machine with install permissions. --Iamunknown 22:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's excellent! Downloading now - it should make the job easier than doing it in either Visio or Inkscape. But it really means a determined effort to avoid paid work, because I'll need to reboot - so it probably won't happen until later in the week. cheers, Webaware talk 22:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Significant example of untagged images being removed from article pages
http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Freeware%2FCreation&diff=701339&oldid=661375 Twenty or so edits spanning more than a month. While it would be relatively easy (though tedious) to replace them all, and while these images may not even be appropriate (arguments for fair use would be weak IMO), think of every other page that has been removed. I'm beginning to think that the only we can restore all these images is by setting up an off-wiki Wikibooks clone and doing some massive SQL query to try to find diffs matching certain criteria. --Iamunknown 05:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Addendum: what's worse is this glaringly obvious replacement at Wikimedia Commons: Commons:Image:Audacity.png. I'm going through that and restoring all the images. Who knows what else could have been easily replaced. --Iamunknown 05:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that when I was doing some diffs back in December. I wasn't calm enough at the time to do anything about it, though - except whine in the staff lounge. The glaringly obvious replacement thing is the bit that really gets me - how bloody hard is it to check on Commons before ripping out all links to an image? Adminocracy gone mad.
 * I too thought about the off-site SQL query. How hard would it be to set that up? It would mean having access to quite a lot of data, including the diffs and the deletion logs. This is why I was whinging so hard about it in the staff lounge - the more damage that is done, the harder the job of fixing it. And you can bet that the culprits will shy away from helping fix it, claiming that it is the job of the original uploaders to sort out the file licensing. Argh! I need more cider. Or mead. Fsck, maybe some of both. Webaware talk 05:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Charlemagne
G'day down under. Many congrats on your cricket team. Ours was cr1p !!

Anyway, you made some constructive comments on my Beef recipe recently which I am pleased got some plaudits from others for it's handling.

If you want a good laugh (or cry!) on the discussion and handling of a WIkipedia article take a look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charlemagne

Will there ever come a time when Wikipedia heirarchy decide maybe a subtle change in direction is needed ? This sort of thing cannot be good for the overall image!! An interminable rant from people, the content of which is longer than the original, and very excellent, article !

All the best

Peter


 * Crikey! Looks like there's a few people who really need to w:WP:TEA!!! But I do think that, on the whole, Wikipedia and its associated projects do rather well, considering the inability of most people to collaborate properly and with civility. I think the one main thing wrong with its model is the ability of anonymous users (not logged in) to edit pages; there should be a mandatory login requirement, with a moderation period, as this would stop a lot of the vandalism that goes on. Otherwise, I'm quite impressed with the system, just not the throngs that come to it often ;-) cheers, Webaware talk 00:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio
Not at full strength but looked at this today Cookbook:Pad Kaprow Kai and got a 404 on the link? Happy to deal with it but could you check it out - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 18:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * G'day mate, the page had been renamed. I've just updated the link. The reason I tagged it copyvio was that there is a statement at the bottom of the Wikibooks recipe claiming that permission has been granted to copy this recipe from the website listed. Where is the proof of this permission? Webaware talk 23:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll take a look at that a bit later today - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 08:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Given it is - A: posted by an IP & B: the website specifically states "Content Copyright 2004-2006 Khiewchanta.com. All rights reserved." and C: There is no apparent way to contact the owner (yeah I know I could dig and get reg details etc but... I agree with you and it's gone.
 * Hope all is well down under - we had some snow during the week! -- Herby talk thyme 10:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A white January, how nice! Apparently there was some of that down south too (Tasmanian peaks - in summer, no less). I hope you're back to full strength soon. As for the copyvio, I figured it was pretty straightforward; I don't like listing things for deletion, as you pro'lly know by now :) cheers, Webaware talk 11:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

So
You are a big fan of JET then! I learnt something, didn't realise it was the base of Access (I used to do a bit with Paradox many years ago!) -- Herby talk thyme 12:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I hate the thing! I frequently tell clients that I know nothing about it, and suggest other people who might. I've had to cross swords with JET many a time, though, and every time I have to hunt for some documentation on it, so I figured it was time that I collated all the info I could find in one place. Maybe it'll help some other poor bugger too! Webaware talk 13:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry - "sarcasm" is my middle name - we have a box for it - it gets filled quite often . It is good work (yours) - cheers -- Herby  talk thyme 13:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I remember, follows with laughter or sneering or something. I don't think I've been doing enough quaffing to find anything about JET funny ;-) Webaware talk 13:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

.js & redirects
Info only - just added a bit of .js (my monobook) which checks links on a page and highlights redirects. Might be useful in cleaning/checking? (think you use FF?). Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 10:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ta, will check it out. Problem is that many of the links in Cookbook are redirects, and often legitimately so - like the redirects to Cookbook:Coconut, which might one day break out into separate pages. Webaware talk 10:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Image-related news
♫ Oh Webaware, I have news for you... I talked to Whiteknight on IRC about adopting w:Template:GFDL-presumed for untagged images uploaded before 20060101. He was symphathetic to the idea. I have not yet imported the template to Wikibooks, but I will sometime this weekend. I wish we had a tag-a-bot (maybe we do, I'll have to find out). Then we could have significantly less work (i.e. all the FHSST and Japanese images). Granted, I'd like to replace them all at some point, but making derivative works of some of them does not absolve us of possible legal issues (particularly the FHSST images) (nor does the template I suppose :. Anyways, thought I'd let to know ♫ Iamunknown 06:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * G'day mate, that would indeed help out a great deal! There is a bunch of images that explicitly state, or just obviously are, self-made. Like these bloody little circuit diagrams I'm currently toying with. I agree about the derivative images not absolving us of legal problems, if the images were non-trivial anyway (unlike these bloody little circuit diagrams). Anyway, that's great news, and I hope it gets through.
 * I've always maintained that the problem with most of these images is one of appropriate licensing, not that they're illegal copies or otherwise bad. It would be nice to be able to tag old, self-made or trivial images uploaded in good faith so that they don't have to be ripped out, just because the administrative stuff wasn't being properly dealt with back then. Webaware talk 07:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

@!**/?
I loved the edit summary but you were still working more than an hour later - should I check those edits out...... I know the feeling - hope today is good - cheers (well sort of) -- Herby talk thyme 16:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Mate, I only hope I didn't do any damage! Still going, and there is still red stuff in bottles, and we're still not in bed, and no hope of rumpy tonight. I'm just glad she doesn't have a mean streak! But at least she likes my cooking :-) and whilst there's hope of sunrise, there's hope... Webaware talk 16:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * (but don't ask me my opinions about climate change or peak oil)
 * Just for the sheer hell of it I would love to come up with a really hard question but I can't - enjoy the red stuff and glad there is still some hope....., catch you round, serving painkillers online tomorrow (you must have had mails offering you that!) -- Herby  talk thyme 16:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries, and I notice you haven't fixed the bad English or factual errors either :-) and as for pain killers, I don't think I need any just now after all the red stuff. Have a nice weekend, I'm off to a good start! (Must try to not sober up for Sunday, that'll keep things on an even keel) Off to bed now, it being 4am. Webaware talk 17:00, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The next day
Now do you need the painkillers or are you just "hard"!! We went out with veggies friends last night (got a good place nearby) - Potato Romanoff, very good indeed (still - going to make up for it with steak tonight!). Hope the day has been good and continues so - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 09:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * G'day mate, not hard, a bit off but no painkillers needed (just lots of water!) Sounds like you had a good night. Am off to bed "early" tonight, to make up for last night :-) Webaware talk 12:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

A long reply and regarding Template:GFDL-presumed
I replied to your question at my talk page. Sorry for my inability to be brief. I also imported (in the non-admin kind of way) Template:GFDL-presumed. Let's start using it on the older stuff. --Iamunknown 05:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * re again. --Iamunknown 06:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Wise words
As usual! -- Herby talk thyme 08:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * My specialty :-) ah, but actions... now, that would be worth something! Webaware talk 08:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * NOT referring to you but here that would prove the existence of miracles (jaded & with flu!) -- Herby talk thyme 08:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I reckon that the books in here already demonstrate the existence of miracles. If you'd asked me ten years ago about a collaborative effort by thousands of people of different backgrounds, speaking different languages even, all trying to build encyclopaedia, dictionaries and reference books together and without even requiring user authentication, I'd have wished you well! But here we all are... Webaware talk 08:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
May good karma be with you, who know, change can happen! - and thanks for the script info -- Herby talk thyme 11:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Shovel at the ready, as always :-) and that script is quite handy for just these occasions! Webaware talk 11:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)