User talk:TimRJordan/sandbox/Approaches to Knowledge/2020-21/Seminar group 3/History

Suggestion for "History of Law as a discipline"
I have a suggestion for the following section: "Around the 18th century, when a wave of criticism was born against the legal education as law-based schools were created, some new ideas emerged.[56] Some, like Sir William Blackstone, tried to make things evolve but no significant change was noticed before the 19th century.[57]". I believe you could elaborate more on those new ideas that emerged. Also, you may want to clarify how exactly Sir William Blackstone tried to "make things evolve". --Eagle1020 (discuss • contribs) 14:42, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for History of Law
When reading your intro and the sentence "It is a highly interdisciplinary discipline as it sets the rules of our societies and therefore has always existed." I though that those two ideas were not necessarily connected and two different things. I think you should maybe make it two separate sentences. One explaining how it is interdisciplinary (very quickly it's just your intro) and another explaining how law is at the center of our society since basically for ever.

Suggestion on the structure of the Computer Science article
Hi! I have suggestion for the structure of the Computer Science article. If you add a headline for the first part such as "The Birth of Computer Science", I think it would make your article more clear. --Saucesoja (discuss • contribs) 18:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh that's a great idea, thank you! --PerpetualMisfit (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for the History of Animal Magnetism
Hey! I have some suggestions for the content. Could you briefly explain what are the basic practices (methodologies) in animal magnetism? I'm kind of confused by how it was thought to work as a medicine. Also, could you translate the French titles in paragraph 3 into English? Thanks! --PepperOud (discuss • contribs) 22:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not the author of this article so am not really able to explain it more than this article does but I've translated (approximately) the titles in paragraph 3, hope that helps! Chopsticks21 (discuss • contribs) 19:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Some examples of practices, which resembled hypnosis, were putting people in stages of "trance" through a lot of physical contact, or the use of ropes or metal wires connecting every participant, sat in a large wooden container or basin. As the "animator" would touch with a metal wand the sick body parts, people would reportedly break into hysterical laughter, or have convulsions... --Fantomasque (discuss • contribs) 16:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for additions to the history of Computer Science
Hi! It might be useful to look into Alan Turing's paper 'On Computable Numbers, with an Application to the Entscheidungsproblem' that he published in 1936, before his time at Bletchley Park. It develops his theoretical 'computing machines' and is recognised as an important reference point for the beginnings of Computer Science within Mathematics. -- Ridumdepiro (discuss • contribs) 09:07, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I wanted to focus on the history of ethics in the computer science discipline so I didn't elaborate much on computer science itself, but I think the development of computer science within other disciplines is really interesting so I'll probably research about it and add it on later. -- PerpetualMisfit (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah that makes sense, I found the section on Ethics really interesting! Ridumdepiro (discuss • contribs) 18:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Glad to hear that! I've added a part on Turing's paper 'On Computable Numbers, with an Application to the Entscheidungsproblem', if you're interested. Let me know what you think! PerpetualMisfit (discuss • contribs) 22:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

It looks great! Ridumdepiro (discuss • contribs) 14:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion on the syntax of the Museology article
Hey! After reading your article I thought that the second paragraph could be clearer if you began by talking of the word "museum" and then chronologically present your different examples. For instance: ''The term "museum", "museion" in greek "the seat of the Muses", emerged during the Classical Period. However, the human being has a longer history of collecting objects in the purpose of inquiry and acquisition.'' And then maybe you could reformulate your sentence about the Great Museum of Alexandria to be clearer like However, its function was to provide support to scholars to engage in their studies as a philosophical institute. Hope you like these suggestions!

Thank you! I've made changes to the syntax. --PepperOud (discuss • contribs) 16:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion on the Neurosciences article
Hey, your article seemed pretty clear to me and very well written, but I was thinking maybe you could add that the term "neurosciences" only appeared in 1960, which really emphasizes your point about how slow the study of this discipline was. This chapter from Neurosciences et société: Enjeux des savoirs et pratiques sur le cerveau (by Abi-Rached, JM and N Rose. (2014) Edited by Moutaud B. and Chamak B.51-77, Paris: Armand Collin) talks about it. I only found it in French, available from https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/jabirached/files/abirached_rose_chap2_-_moutaud_chamak.pdf.


 * Hello, thank you for this helpful contribution! I have added it to my sandbox and I also read the chapter, which contained some very interesting elements. Saucesoja (discuss • contribs) 09:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Collaboration on Neuroscience article
Hey! Just to let you know I've been working on an addition to the History of Neuroscience article, mostly to highlight the interdisciplinarity in Neuroscience both from a historical aspect by providing more detail on how the Society for Neuroscience was created and how it aimed for interdisciplinarity, as well as through some more detail about new emerging disciplines. --TheStarryLamppost (discuss • contribs) 11:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Standardising titles and citations
Hi all, would it be better to standardise the titles and citations to match the Wikipedia format? For subtitles it would be "Ethics in the computer science discipline" instead of "Ethics in the Computer Science Discipline" etc. Or if you would like to do it the second way that would work too as long as we standardize! We can discuss this below.

Also, for citations, a useful trick I learnt was to edit from the Wikipedia sandbox instead of the Wikibooks one as it enables you to create citations from the editor. Your Wikipedia sandbox can be found at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:(your_username)/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1&preload=Template%3AUser+sandbox%2Fpreload

From there I would then copy and paste the text and references to the Wikibooks page. Hope it helps! --PerpetualMisfit (discuss • contribs) 15:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for History of feminism
While reading you work, I thought it was very good and complete but I was wondering why not add a section for today? or maybe the last 5 years? Feminism as a discipline boomed in the last few years and more and more universities and school are teaching it every year. Maybe showing how the number of undergraduate or graduate programs about gender studies/feminism has grown in the world could be interesting.

That's a good idea, thanks! Chopsticks21 (discuss • contribs) 10:16, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Suggestions for History of Economics
I added a few citations on definitions and individuals that I wasn't certain of or thought would be helpful. I wondered if maybe explaining why Marx, Malthus and Keynes had opposing views to Smith might be useful - going into their individual economic ideas. It was a really interesting read!!

Sugarfreejazz1 (discuss • contribs) 15:18, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for 'The History of Computer Art as a sub-discipline'
Hi - this is an area I am interested in and I really enjoyed reading your piece. I would suggest you use a more formal/encyclopaedic tone for your writing - in particular, removing the rhetorical questions. Also, if possible you could add a source to support your statement that there is an academic debate surrounding the emergence of computer art as a sub-discipline. HotelBudapest (discuss • contribs) 13:49, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice! I've edited my tone accordingly. Regarding my statement that there is an academic debate surrounding the emergence of Computer Art as a sub-discipline, I believe that there are academic debates surrounding the emergence of any discipline. It is easy to find examples of works within a discipline in History but determining the exact point in time when a discipline was formed is a complex question that could have different answers depending on which markers of a discipline are taken into account. For example, Beowulf is an example of English Literature but it doesn't indicate the beginning of English Literature as a discipline because Beowulf doesn't show the methodology of the discipline (how to write English Literature). Also, at the time when Beowulf was written, there was no teaching of English Literature and there was no teacher-student relationship. Some people may argue that a discipline forms when there are teachers to teach it. But even if there are professors to teach the discipline at universities, if students can't take a degree in it, is it still considered a discipline? I hope my explanation makes sense. Eagle1020 (discuss • contribs) 14:44, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for replying to me so quickly! In regards to when a discipline actually forms, I suppose there is no definitive answer but I think its best to just mention a few key steps (eg, when professors for that certain discipline are brought into universities) that were taken towards the formation of the discipline to give the reader a bit of background.HotelBudapest (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for the "History of History as a Discipline" article
Hello, I was thinking you could open up to the discipline of history today, to have all the chronology. You could say that history is today an institutionalised discipline, that is taught in schools and universities, and the profession of historians. This paper from Cambridge University press gives interesting insight: https://assets.cambridge.org/97811070/21594/excerpt/9781107021594_excerpt.pdf Saucesoja (discuss • contribs) 14:59, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for the History of Feminism and Feminist Literature as sub-disciplines
Firstly, I found your article very clear and precise, you go through all the steps of the birth of feminism and the importance it is taking today. I just thought it would be interesting to finish with a paragraph on the uneven rise of feminism between developed countries and countries, usually in development or rules by religion. On one hand, we have countries like the USA, which just elected a female vice president or Germany, Taiwan, New Zealand, Iceland, Bangladesh, Estonia, Croatia, and more which are countries ruled by women. And on the other hand, we have countries who seem stuck in history, such as Saudi Arabia where women just got the right to drive (2018) but cannot go out without the authorization of their spouse, nor have a legal existence without a male tutor (husband or father usually) for example.