User talk:Thekohser-v.2

Please engage
If anything I've done is worthy of praise or jeers, please feel welcome to engage with me here. -- Thekohser-v.2 (talk) 15:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

strategic bombing
Do you know when the term "strategic bombing" came into use? --JWSurf (talk) 15:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thekohser-v.2 has been globally blocked, but he tells me that October 1918 seems to be when it was coined, but 1942 was when it came into repeated use, and 1943 in widespread use. – Adrignola talk 12:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Adrignola, "Global blocking is the technical function of the blocking of an IP address", so how has Thekohser-v.2 been globally blocked? --JWSurf (talk) 16:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It was "globally locked by User:Jyothis as a sock of a globally banned user on Meta Wiki." Diego Grez (talk) 17:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What does "sock" mean? What does "globally banned user" mean? --JWSurf (talk) 20:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that I get less experience at Wikibooks with problematic users than admins elsewhere, but it seems to me that socks are usually designated based on similar behaviors between two users. To know for sure would require CheckUser action, which I don't perform unless there's disruption involved.  Globally banned from my perspective means that a steward at Meta has decided that a user has been disruptive at enough wikis that they lose the privilege of editing at all wikis.  The details of when or why I don't really get involved in as I'm not a steward.  – Adrignola talk 21:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "Globally banned from my perspective means that a steward at Meta has decided that a user has been disruptive at enough wikis that they lose the privilege of editing at all wikis." <-- Adrignola, can you link to the policy on global bans? --JWSurf (talk) 22:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Steward requests/Global where people request accounts to be globally banned links to Global blocking, which details a guideline. However, the paragraph on local unblocking I know only applies to IP users. The talk page confirms that the page I'm linking to really only applies to IPs. According to what I've read, I should be using the term "global lock" rather than "global block" when referring to this account. Global locking doesn't exist, so I'd say there is no hard and fast policy on global locking. – Adrignola talk 22:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Also maybe relevant: apparently some stewards feel it's necessary to implement a local block in addition to a global lock, even if the user never edited at Wikibooks and even if doing so is redundant: see this log for anything tagged "crosswiki abuse ". This could make sense for local accounts that are detached from a unified account or for an account that isn't SUL.  However, I've checked a few and this isn't always the case. – Adrignola talk 22:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "here people request accounts to be globally banned" <-- Adrignola, I see no use of the word "ban" at Steward requests/Global, so why do you describe that page as the place to go when requesting a global ban? "no hard and fast policy on global locking" <-- "Accounts should never be locked except in cases of certain bad faith.". "This is done to stop abuse such as spamming, vandalizing, or creating malicious account names." What evidence is there that the User:Thekohser-v.2 account has been associated with spamming, vandalizing, or creating malicious account names? --JWSurf (talk) 00:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

This discussion is important and should be moved to a more visible place, like Reading room/General the issue of this discussion was initiated in User talk:Thekohser (it deals with the local community rights and freedoms, block and unblock process, cross-wiki administrative actions, edit protection of a blocked user's talk pages without demonstrated abuse on project). I've been fallowing only locally the actions against the user and I am not particularly happy on how and what has been done, especially since the user local activity has only been productive. --Panic (talk) 02:01, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that the discussion would be more fruitful in a general forum. As for the word of "ban", Diego above and JW above both use the term.  I've also seen "community ban" mentioned before, though I've not participated in such a thing.  I used "ban" because apparently "global block" is not technically correct.  However, to be technically correct, I guess I should only use "global lock" or "globally locked".  As for evidence, this account being associated with another account that is globally locked is what got it locked.  I can't speak for the circumstances surrounding User:Thekohser.  I've only been told that he is "globally banned" and "for good reason".  My purview is Wikibooks and I've not really followed the controversy that led to the global lock. – Adrignola talk 03:01, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * We seem to be in general agreement that something isn't clear around this subject and that it is of some importance and impact to the project and that we all need to have some clarification...
 * It is hard to define and establish the technical term on actions that seem unique and obscure (even if not intentionally so), of note is also that they have gone unchallenged here (it seems other projects did protest or even reverted the action for what was said on the other talk page) and have been supported by some local admins.
 * If no objections arise a summary of the issues with relevant links should be made at Reading room/General so we can bring them to the community attention for an examination of the subject as to obtain a validation/repudiation for what has been happening.
 * I can perform this action later today. --Panic (talk) 03:28, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That's fine. I am retiring for the night so I'm in no shape at this moment to do so anyway. – Adrignola talk 03:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I asked for some input from Jyothis. --JWSurf (talk) 03:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)