User talk:TeamTenaciousD

This is where we talk. TeamTenaciousD (discuss • contribs) 13:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

TenaciousD Team for the win!!!! ...and never forget: This is just a tribute. Camilla baier (discuss • contribs) 13:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah! And now to boost my energy levels enough to use this clunky thing for an enire project... Stirmartin12 (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Starting off - Where do we begin?
So... What's first? Stirmartin12 (discuss • contribs) 14:24, 18 March 2014 (UTC)



Should we all just do research on online identity by ourselves and then come together and figure out what's important what everyone wants to do etc? I feel weird commenting on this since I'm sort of the add-on in the group haha Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 16:09, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey! I've doing some reading about this and if it's okay with you guys, I was thinking about doing a bit about how development of social media has affected how identities are formed online. Eg. 10 years ago it was all chatrooms with nicknames and now it's on Facebook with our own names, like the identities are more authentic. I think I can maybe link to that technological determinism, too, since the computer that we had 10 years ago wouldn't have been able to sustain something like Facebook etc. Is this okay with everybody? Suggestions are always welcome! Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 10:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok I'll just paste what I wrote on the other discussion board thingy (so confusing!): Sooo guys. Has anyone done some research yet/ ideas how to structure this? I was thinking we could start with a definition (duh!) and then maybe focus on the different areas that online identity applies to/ where it is important, e.g. social media/networks, the gaming sector (avatars?!), etc. so how we present ourselves online really, maybe if online identity = real life identity (and the differences) and then as the "flip side" the privacy protection e.g. privacy settings, copyright, etc. What do you think? I'm not gonna lie I don't really have a clearly structured image of this in my head, just dropping off some ideas here... --BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 12:37, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I think that the privacy aspect is a really good idea since it's an important part of online identities! I also liked the idea you mentioned about gaming and online identities since some people are actually 'married' to someone else in their gaming world. You'll probably get a lot out of that since there's some psychology aspect in that too, I think Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 13:26, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree Liisa. Plus you're lucky to have a psychology expert on your team (which is me in case you didn't get the hint). I was just googling some stuff and the first entry you get is of course Wikipedia (surprise!) but I though it could be useful to get an overview on our subtopic first, so I'll post the link for everyone here. Most importantly read the section on "Online Social Identity"! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_identity --BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 13:37, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

That's why you're in the group, Lea! Should we also consider how online identities are important for growing business', cause when you google online identity, first suggestions are eg. 'how you can make create an online identity for your business' etc. But does that relate to our topic enough? Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 13:46, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok just to take the discussion here and to sum up: ⇒Liisa & Lea: Development ⇒Martin: Security ⇒Euan: Interlinking ⇒Camilla: ? ⇒Imara: ? I think Liisa's got a point here. Anyone interested in the business part? You could also talk about personalised adverts e.g. on Facebook. --BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 13:53, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

It's probably prudent to point out here that we are talking on Facebook as well and are still trying to work out how to make discussing on here work better. But yes, I'll be doing to security part which will cover things like how secure/insecure our profiles and such are. I'll do some research and maybe post some links in here if I find anything of use to us in general whilst doing that! Also I've mailed Greg about Facebook chat logging.Stirmartin12 (discuss • contribs) 13:59, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a good idea to post stuff here if we come across subjects that other people are doing because it is a collaboration after all! And we're all researching about the same thing basically, so help is always good. A lot of smart people = a really good wikibooks page. ;D Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 14:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE: Liisa: Development, Martin: Security, Euan: Interlinking Lea: Personalised Advertising, Camilla: Online identities in the professional worklife, Imara: ?

UPDATE 2.0: Liisa: Development, Martin: Security, Euan: Interlinking Lea: Personalised Advertising, Camilla: Online identities in the professional worklife, Imara: Blending Identities

I think it's a great idea to all go and do some separate research on our chosen topics, then when we get some material down on our page that's when we can form a better flow and structure, and start helping each other out too. I'd like to take on the subject of blending online and offline identities, for example in the case of online dating, as Lea suggested in the Facebook chat discussion. Hopefully we can make some really good links between our topics and the lecture/seminar material aswell! BobblehatImara (discuss • contribs) 15:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Good idea, Imara! We can definitely link our topic to other topics covered in the lecture like technological determinism, lock-in, cognitive surplus etc. so we should try to do that! Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 08:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

How's the research going for you guys? I was wondering how academic our texts have to be as I'm currently looking at loads of super sophisticated journal articles (I'm not going to lie- I'm not a business person and the stuff they say freaks me out a little)... --BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 10:45, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Had a wee look at the module handbook and it does infact say "evidence of independent reading of appropriate academic material", so super sophisticated journal articles are ideal! BobblehatImara (discuss • contribs) 16:54, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh yaaaay. Should probably read "Business for Dummies" first... :P Thanks! BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 20:08, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I just found a pretty good dissertation that I'd like to bring to your attention. It talks about identity representation in social media, especially from a commercial kind of perspective (so highly relevant for my bit) but also addresses more general issues such as privacy concerns (Martin?), anonymity, etc. Of course it shouldn't be used as an "academic" primary source, but it cites loads of theorists and general concepts behind impression management online. So you should definitely have a look and check if there is anything in it that might be relevant for your section or maybe use it as a theoretical starting point: http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/files/2013/10/A_critique_of_identity_representation_in_social_media.pdf Also I was thinking about including something on targeted adverts, I hope this isn't going to much into your topic, Euan?! BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 09:07, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Cheers for the material! It's a great idea to share articles we all think might be useful, so that we can help each other out as much as possible. Just wanted to ask, are we allowed to link to other wiki pages? For example, if I write the phrase 'online dating', I'd like to highlight and insert a link to the actual Wikipedia page on online dating. Is this allowed? Also, when we've got some information written up on our subject, do we want to post it in this discussion page first, on the yearbook discussion page, or straight on to the yearbook page? I'm guessing the latter, but one of the first two might be useful in terms of getting a couple of opinions before posting officially, though it can always be edited by other users once it's posted officially anyway. Just wondering what everyone's thoughts were. How are you guys getting on so far? I've got a basic definition for blending identity and a couple of examples, just trying to find some academic material to back it up and possible links to lecture and seminar materials. I was also thinking of adding a short word on misrepresentation of identity but possibly only through the media of online dating and fandom as I'm sure misrepresentation might come under someone else's topic (?) and I don't want to be stealing it. If someone else is already writing about misrepresentation, give me a shout and I'll steer clear. BobblehatImara (discuss • contribs) 13:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Does this count as appropriate academic material? (http://www.dourish.com/classes/readings/Slater-SocialRelationshipsIdentity.pdf) I'm unsure as to how to reference this. Check it out though, there's some good stuff in there! BobblehatImara (discuss • contribs) 18:02, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I agree with you, Imara. I've just finished gathering all the info and I hope I'll soon manage to actually produce something. Would be good if someone approved before we're posting stuff... About the wikipedia thing- I have no idea! I guess as long as you just use it as a starting point/ inspiration for further research without actually having to cite Wikipedia as your source it should be fine. That article looks pretty good, I'm sure that counts as academic. I was wondering how the actual writing process is supposed to work- do we have to add something regularly whenever we're working on it (so kind of like we would do in our word documents) or post it all as a whole once we're finished?! How's everyone else getting on? Don't make me feel bad by saying you've already started writing please! I've got so much other stuff on my plate I don't know how to cope..! BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 19:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Someone else is doing blended identities too, should I post in the yearbook discussion page what I have so far and ask him to collate or just post it straight on to the yearbook page itself? I'm not sure of the rules here... BobblehatImara (discuss • contribs) 17:32, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be best to cooperate. Just write on the person's personal user discussion board and organise your topic, so there is no time wasted on writing the same text basically. You could narrow down your focus a little or concentrate on a case study or something? I think that would be a good approach to it. BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 10:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm currently making my first attempt at writing up all the stuff I found on online advertising but I realised I really have no idea what kind of writing style we should have... BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 13:06, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

RE:Lea, the writing style, having looked around wikipedia some, seems to be mostly focusing on accurate and clear writing. So another way to put it is to avoid literary flourishes and flowery language in stead of being succinct and to the point. Also, apologies all for my silence as I've been having some trouble logging into Wiki on my computer! But I'm back now! My security stuff is going not bad, I'm going to draft something up tonight. One thing I've noticed, and I've posted this on the books' discussion page as well, is that I've noticed that privacy and security are pretty interlinked for social media. Is everyone okay if I at least partially talk about privacy issues as well? EDIT: I've got a book out the Library called "Social Media a Critical Introduction". It seems to cover a wide range of topics that are immediately useful to us such as security, information useage, fandom, social media in politics and even wikipedia (which I hadn't considered but I guess is a form of social media). I think there's another copy available but if not then if anyone wants to borrow the book or at least meet up to look at it, give me shout! Stirmartin12 (discuss • contribs) 19:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry I've been a bit MIA, my laptop broke and had to be fixed and didn't get it back until Friday. The best part was that an essay that was due today was completely lost, so I had to do it all over again, which is why I haven't been able to concentrate on this project. But that's done now and I'll start working on it. You all seem to have handle on everything, so there's a bit of catching up for me to do! Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 16:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I found this http://www.postgradolinguistica.ucv.cl/dev/documentos/90,889,Social_network_boyd_2007.pdf which relates to lot of our topics, so look through it, it's really useful! Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 17:13, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey guys, i was talking to Lea and Imara today, and Lea said she was concerned about putting her piece up without it being proof read first, so i suggested that she post it on her own discussion page, and then tell us on here once she's done that. This would also help boost our engagement marks as we could then launch discussions on each others discussion pages which I imagine would help out our engagement marks quite a bit. EuanWhitelaw (discuss • contribs) 14:28, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Im also thinking about switching my subject focus to youtube as form of social media and online identity, i was thinking about going along the lines of how it is part of the movement away from anonymity focusing on vlogs and the like, as they are literally showing their faces, voices and homes to the world. and i'm sure ill be able to tie in some theorists and things other people have written into this. I fyou guys think of anything that might be useful, I'm open to suggestions. EuanWhitelaw (discuss • contribs) 14:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

That sounds good, Euan! Vlogs are a current topic and it hasn't been covered yet, so go for it! Maybe you could consider how often the vloggers have to perform and keep up a certain personality that might not correspond to their real life identity. Or maybe not, I only thought about that since I just wrote an essay for English about performing identities and Shakespeare's Coriolanus, so it might not be relevant to the subject of vlogs at all haha. Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 15:06, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that could be interesting to think about, because some vloggers show their actual personality and lives, where as some only bring certain aspects of their lives in, and others create an entirely different character. The theory pert id probably what im going to struggle with coz im no good at tying theories into the things im talking about EuanWhitelaw (discuss • contribs) 15:15, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

The topic of vlogs is an excellent idea; it centers completely around a user's identity and is also pretty modern. I went ahead and posted a section on online dating to the yearbook page (pending approval), as I just wanted to get a basis down instead of posting it to my page and waiting for advice. However, I still think this is a great idea for anyone who isn't sure if their piece needs work or not- mine does, but I feel better having got it down on the page and now being free to expand and edit it. Loving all this collaboration and discussion! Thanks again for the idea of using Tinder, Liisa! BobblehatImara (discuss • contribs) 22:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I just looked at the actual Online Identity page and holy moly it's grown a lot since I last checked! Thank god no one's covered my topic so far. I'm still not quite sure how long my text should be- I have a feeling it's way too long already! BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 12:15, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

The actual page is so huge that I feel bad for anybody trying to read the whole thing. At the same time it shows how much there's to talk about when it comes to online identity, so doing a presentation about it should be no problem! I hope...Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 15:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm slightly confused at the moment as one of my friends told me today that we kind of deliberately have to leave stuff out so other people can cover it. But then again, I know that no one else is doing my topic and it' not exactly stuff you can base on common knowledge anyway, so I'd rather write about everything I found out...?! BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Why should we leave stuff out for other people? Is it so the people who are going to do this on Friday at the last minute have something to write about? I think you should put everything you found, Lea, since it's your work and you've spent a lot of time one it. Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 16:36, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah that's exactly what I thought! Also I picked such a narrow topic so I wouldn't step on someone else's toes and basically had a section to myself. Even though I don't mind collaborating but I'm not holding myself back just because there is a chance that someone else wanted to talk about the same... And people can always edit each other's stuff anyway... BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 17:09, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Just go for it, Lea, it's only 2 days until the deadline and you should show off all of your hard work! BobblehatImara (discuss • contribs) 18:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah will do. How's it going for you guys? Everyone clear about their stuff? BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 21:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm getting there, slowly but surely. I think I have 2-3 paragraphs more to add to my content. I don't know exactly how long to make this but I figure keeping it concise and to the point is better at the moment at least and then it can be expended upon by other wikipedians perhaps. On another note, I know that we're meeting up about this this weekend, but I was having a think about things we could do during our presentation and also did some looking around and one idea I thought might be quite cool is if we get everyone in the class to write down their most recent status update on Facebook, or if they're not on Facebook then maybe Twitter, and then mix them up and hand them out randomly and see if people can guess who's status's they are. It works on a number of different levels theory wise and it's also a bit of fun. Thoughts? Stirmartin12 (discuss • contribs) 22:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

well, on Lea's note just before martins... not so clear on mine tbh. I just thought about changing about what I am writing. I think Online Identity theft might be a quite interesting topic aswell. Looking through the wikipage, I don't think anyone's covered it quite in depth yet. I have been battling with sort of an issue relating to that with gmail, so it's a topic I've been (having to) look[ing] into... what do you think? Is it an useless addition to the page that already has lots of posts on Online Identity Management? Although none is specific to Online ID theft. (Camilla baier (discuss • contribs) 02:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC))

ok, scratch that. sticking to my old topic of online identity in the professional worklife. I will relate it back to self representation on SNS's using LinkedIn as a case study. Sort of..... I think. (Camilla baier (discuss • contribs) 02:34, 3 April 2014 (UTC))

Linkedin is a good idea, Camilla, and I don't think anyone's covered that yet, so go for it! Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 08:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

RE Camilla: I think you're free to cover any topic you want as long as you can back it up with facts and link it back to online identity, so whatever you plan to do is will be fine. I think the professional perspective on online identity might be quite interesting though as it adds something a bit more "practical" to the wikibook if that makes sense... BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 09:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Guys, if I posted my stuff on my discussion board once I've finished it would you read/edit it for me before I post it on the "official" site? Don't want to embarrass myself by publishing something which is less than good (I don't expect perfection). Thaaanks! BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 09:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I think Martin and Liisa's ideas are very good. You really have to put some interaction in there, otherwise the other's will lose interest go on their phone *wink wink* Lea ;-) I've taught groups before, and it's always good to have a joker up your sleeve in form of an activity. You have no idea how terribly wrong time management can go when giving a class. You think you're completely prepared and that's gonna be the best class of your life, but suddenly you have gone through all your material, have nothing more to say and there's 15 pairs of expectant eyes staring at you and you still have 35 minutes to fill. It's not fun. So I think having a couple of short activities is really good, while of course, like Lea said, not losing track of the objective of teaching. (Camilla baier (discuss • contribs) 11:01, 3 April 2014 (UTC))

RE Camilla: Oh god people, you will never let this go, will you?! :) You definitely have a point there though. BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 11:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

To Everyone: I just posted my final draft on my discussion board. I'd very much appreciate your feedback before I post it on the wiki. Ignore the referencing, I do it properly once I post it, it's just a reminder to myself where I got everything from. Thanks! BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 12:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I've posted my piece on youtube on my discussion page, if anyone wants to proof read that form me it would be much apreciated EuanWhitelaw (discuss • contribs) 13:21, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Presentation
I created a different section just for the presentation, so it's easier to keep track what we've been saying. I like the idea you had Martin, sounds fun! I was also thinking about impression management while once again posting a picture of my dinner on Instagram. I took like 10 pictures of it and chose one, so if someone would like to volunteer their selfies as an example for that, it'd be great. Like we could have a slide where there's the finished Instagram picture and all of the other shots that we're taken next to it. Thoughts? Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 08:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

RE Martin: It is certainly a good idea to include some activity that engages the class and makes them think about/apply some of the issues and theories addressed in our presentation. So that would probably be a good start/end. However we have to keep track of the time and make sure the "fun stuff" doesn't dominate our seminar... sounds harsh but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 09:36, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

RE Liisa: That sounds like a pretty good approach to it! We could even extend it a bit further talking about profile pictures on Facebook or even Tinder and Snapchat (where you only get to see the picture for 10 sec max but still we mostly try to send a decent photo)... BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 09:36, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

RE Lea Good shout with Tinder, Lea since it automatically takes your pictures from FB but you get to decide which pictures are fit to be seen. Add to that, I have a friend who added tons of pictures of herself on FB when she joined Tinder and updated her interest list etc. just so she could get more/better matches. Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 09:54, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

RE Liisa: That's exactly the kind of examples that I was thinking of. We should definitely try to include these points, maybe ask the class a couple of questions about their own identity management on these sites before we present our findings?! BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 11:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

To everyone: So just to be very clear- when, what, how? Meeting up?

Yeah, I was wondering about that, too. Are we moving it to Sunday, since Camilla's coming back then? If so, we should all look at the group presentation stuff and start thinking about how we're gonna do it. Should we book a room in the library for it? 92.30.90.32 (discuss) 15:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC) Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 15:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Sunday could be good as most of us seem to be free pretty much all day, giving us plenty of time to blast through this. Early afternoon @ library? Booking a room could be ideal! BobblehatImara (discuss • contribs) 21:53, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

cheers, for being so considerate of my absence guys sorry again... so, yeah, martin and i will be getting back to stirling around noon. I'd be free after that. (Camilla baier (discuss • contribs) 00:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC))

Yeah that's cool by me. Booking a room is a good idea! And Lea, I know you're not being harsh, it's just a thought to add something lighter to a part of our stuff :) Stirmartin12 (discuss • contribs) 00:52, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, Sunday it is! Could somebody book a room for us? I don't really know how it's done and I'm too lazy to find out haha. Liisamy (discuss • contribs) 07:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I can book a room if you want. What time would that be? Like 1/2ish? And do you guys want to meet up again on Monday or do you think Sunday will be sufficient? BerlinLea (discuss • contribs) 14:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)