User talk:SteRos7/sandbox/Approaches to Knowledge/Seminar 2/Truth

General
Ideas for the order of the whole page? --Oliveoilandgarlic (discuss • contribs) 20:15, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Have put my section on statistical truths after the section on truth in mathematics as I think it leads on nicely and will lead into more humanities based sections as I speak about politics in my discussion. Hope this is ok with everyoneApricotptr (discuss • contribs) 17:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in mathematics
@Driedmangoes I started researching this before I saw that you had done it already, it might be interesting to add the theory of Plato's world of forms as a counter point to the pragmatic view of mathematics. Mathematics unreasonable effectiveness at predicting the outcomes of physical events does imply that it is more than a human construct. It's also interesting that the search for the neurological structures assosiated with numbers has, so far, been unsuccessful. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2017.0119 this is a paper on that. Also to bring a bit of anthropology and biology into it you might want to look into the tribes that cannot count above 5 or 10 and the attempts to teach animals to count in reference to weather numbers are fundimental or a human construct. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010027708001042 This is a paper on a amazonian tribe that has no words for numbers but still can still equalize large numbers of objects into two groups, this may be an interesting point to add to the debate of weather an understanding of numbers is apriory or not, as they were able to identify difference in large numbers, implying an ability to subtract, but they were unable to complete tasks involving memory, implying that number language is key for remembering quantities but not identifying them. --Oliveoilandgarlic (discuss • contribs) 22:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in Sex and Gender
I found a of source that you might find interesting in highlighting the essentialist view.

http://www.seaturtle.org/PDF/BirdR_1999_EvolAnthropol.pdf

It implies that women fulfilled the gatherer role and men the hunter and proposes some interesting evolutionary reasons for this, I added a little bit of information to the third sentance. You might find the article an interesting read and source for a more in depth breakdown of possible evolutionary reasons for gender roles in ancient times. --Oliveoilandgarlic (discuss • contribs) 09:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in Mythology
Hi! Your topic is really interesting. I corrected some mistakes and picked up some little things you could maybe improve! First of all, as your topic is quite hard to support with truth, you could give clear examples for the three types of truth you present so that we better understand your point. Moreover, maybe try to do three paragraphs for your three types of truth. I think it will really make your article way clearer! --Qenalcu (discuss • contribs) 10:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, thankyou, what's there is a very rough version to 'stake my claim to the topic as I wrote half of a piece on truth in mathematics only to find it had already been written. That's a good idea about the paragraphs I will look at structuring it that way thankyou!
 * --Oliveoilandgarlic (discuss • contribs) 17:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for the idea about structuring it by types of truth, it makes a lot more sense that way --Oliveoilandgarlic (discuss • contribs) 19:50, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in International Relations
You could add confronting bias or US dominance bias and argue that the truth can be easily manipulated. It will make your argument stronger.

Useful links:
 * https://www.jstor.org/stable/44218184?seq=1
 * https://academic.oup.com/jogss/article-abstract/4/3/402/5521931?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Moreover, you could mention objectivity and subjectivity within International Relations.

--Grammaloretoo (discuss • contribs) 15:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in Law
As the famous pledge «tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth» shows, justice seeks at all costs to find the truth. In the case of a truth brought by a witness, its validity and objectivity may be questioned. As you have written, some rules can be obstacles to finding the truth, for example in his book "Discipline and Punish", Michel Foucault speaks of “bureaucratic concealment”. This refers to the fact that finding the truth today requires a long process that sometimes ends up by losing the very subject of the problem. He also speaks of the fact that the entry of psychology into the law, the consideration of the past and the profile of the condemned, makes the search for a truth difficult. When proof are made only of facts, a truth is more attainable. In terms of someone’s psychology and understanding what prompted them to do something, it’s much more complicated.

The Robert Hare Psychopathy Test is a reference to detect the degree of psychopathy in prisoners. Even at the psychological level, the law tries to find objective evidence on which to rely.

By leaving an opening to several interpretations and to several condemnations according to the condemned, justice leaves a part of freedom in the search for truth.

--Write&Leave (discuss • contribs) 00:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thought your section would benefit from a couple of headings to make it more structured and easier to follow, really interesting topic. Also think you might want to look into your referencing as they're not particularly formatted