User talk:Smjg

Before I do exponential amouts of damage to the Chess problems section, what do you think a "non-pathologically meaningless title" for Puzzles:Chess_problems:Chess_directmates:Fourteen-move_chess_directmate_1 and similar pages in that section be? --Borbrav 20:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * That title isn't too bad by itself, though I'd be inclined to make it a little less redundant. Maybe Puzzles:Chess problems:Directmates:Fourteen-move directmate 1.  Hmm.... -- Smjg 10:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I see you've started moving them around a bit. Just a small suggestion: I tend to do it top-down.  That is, first move section pages, starting with those at the highest level, before moving the individual puzzle and solution pages within them.  That way, it will be quick and easy to update the navigation header while at each one.  True, there are also links from the section pages to the puzzles to update, but updating these later will be a little easier as there are fewer pages to update them on. -- Smjg 16:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, will implement. --Borbrav 01:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Puzzles
Sorry, I didn't look up Puzzles talk page. I moved these pages because they were hanging in main namespace and were quite confusing to me at recent changes I patrol. I don't have time to help with this book, but when I meet further chapters of Puzzles book I will name them correctly. --Derbeth talk 16:16, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on moving the puzzle books. -- LV (Dark Mark) 18:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I see you are doing hard job moving all these pages. I think you would like to see such things done automatically in the future. Please, sign your support vote at Staff lounge. --Derbeth talk 18:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

tsca.bot
If you have any technical issues, please ask tsca - i'm neither bot author not bot operator. I'm not particularly interested in how bot works - because I know that it just works from my experience (I saw its contributions at sister projects). --Derbeth talk 14:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello. I am working on it. Quite a lot has been done already. However, I must clarify one thing: the bot is supposed to do mass changes. It doesn't pay to program the bot to edit just one page or to understand all possible inconsistent spellings of one title - such single fixes are better and faster done by hand.
 * So, if there are, say, 30 pages to rename, the bot can move the 28 regular links, but the 2 links whose names do not fit the pattern will have to be moved by hand.
 * In general, your request is nicely documented, but it is not exactly how requests are made. You basically asked me to take part in the concept work and do research. I cannot afford to do that, since I am working on several projects and lack the time. Normally requests for the bot are on a lower level, eg: "all pages linking to [x] must be renamed to [y:title]", or "all links to [d] must be changed to link to [g] instead" - and it only makes sense to ask for a bot if there are more than 10 edits per change to be made. Your request requires more human than automated work. tsca ✉ 13:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Since I had had no answer on how your bot works, I just proceeded to write a specification of an algorithm by which the work could be done.  What "concept work" or "research" are you claiming I was asking you to do exactly?  I just wrote an algorithm that I believed to be well-defined and implementable straight out of the box.  I also did a few manual tweaks before asking you to run the bot, e.g. on Puzzles:Arithmetical puzzles changing the link text of "Hotel refund" to "Hotel Refund" and other similar cases, with the expectation that it would tell your bot that the new title of the linked-to page should be Puzzles:Arithmetical puzzles:Hotel Refund as per the spec, not Puzzles:Arithmetical puzzles:Hotel refund.  Did you misread this bit of the spec, or decide that this detail wasn't implementable under the constraints?  If the latter, then why didn't you tell me sooner?


 * If the spec was too complicated for you to have time to implement, then we could maybe have found someone else who was willing to program a bot to do it. However, I'm not asking you and your bot to abandon the task right now - while it isn't perfect, at least it's getting some things right, and the page titles it is generating are no worse than the ones we had before. -- Smjg 16:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't see the bit about capitalising the second part of the title (I saw the one about capitalising "Solution", which I did). About the naming of the "chess" pages: I see your point (although your example of Puzzles:Arithmetical puzzles: doesn't suggest avoiding repetitions). tsca ✉ 19:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * About the chess pages: how do you want to rename Puzzles:Chess problems:Chess directmates:Two-move chess directmate:
 * → Puzzles:Chess problems:Directmates:Two-move chess directmate ?
 * → Puzzles:Chess problems:Directmates:Two-move ?
 * "Pass 2: Tidying up the pages" - let's wait with that until we've finished pass 1
 * For instant communication, I am usually available on jabber: tsca@jabber.gda.pl and irc: #wikislownik @ chat.freenode.net. Or the talk pages, of course.
 * Shouldn't we add categories as well?
 * As said above: if there's just one sub-sub page to move, let's do that manually


 * It's not just capitalisation - that was just an example. What made me wince is that it changed "Luxury Cars - Puzzle" to "Puzzles:Arithmetical puzzles:Luxury Cars - Puzzle" rather than just "Puzzles:Arithmetical puzzles:Luxury Cars" as it would have been if the link text had been honoured as per my spec.  The naming I had thought of using for the chess problems is "Puzzles:Chess problems:Directmates:Two-move directmate ?".  That way, the title is not too bloated while still looking right to the average human reader.  But anyway.... -- Smjg 21:02, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikibooks is not a paper puzzle book?
I am new to Wikibooks but not wikipedia. I read Puzzles:Logic_puzzles:Two_Boys_and_a_River and was going to leave an alternative solution after seeing alternitive solutions on the other puzles in Puzzles:Lateral_puzzles. I created a Username and just checked out User_talk:62.49.166.122 who had left a coment on the talk page with another solution. your explanation of "Wikibooks is not a paper puzzle book" dosn't make sence to me because a search only brings up your post on this policy. Could you please link to the policy page. All the Warnings on Wipidia all have links to the conected policy. Sorry if i am asking wrong but could you please link to this policy beose i asumed a WikiBook would be like Wikipidia in that all the users are colaberating to make the document better. Unless your post was on another coment that user made in that case i am sorry and it is apropeat to post alternive solutions on a talk page.--Yskyflyer 05:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * As for your comment, you miss the point. If you have a paper puzzle book that you bought from the newsagent, then if you're like many of us then you would solve the puzzles by writing/drawing on them in the book.  On Wikibooks, where one copy is shared by everyone, solving them by writing on the puzzles themselves is nothing but vandalism.  You are of course welcome to contribute solutions to the puzzles.  My point is that this is to be done on the solution page, not on the puzzle page.

I wasn't quoting a Wikibooks policy. I was pointing out what follows directly from: Even if what I was describing an official Wikibooks policy, I don't have to have quoted it word for word, do I? -- Smjg 11:37, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * the nature of Wikibooks and the Puzzles wikibook
 * the existing structure of the Puzzles wikibook
 * common sense


 * Thanks I probably saw one coment the other user made and asumed that was the one you were talking about. Your wording is so persice, makes sence and sounded just like a wiki policy would be wored that i assumed it was an offical policy. and just coulden't find it. (i mean that as a complement)--Yskyflyer 21:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I remeber now what i was thinking about Wiki is not paper. This is a policy who's title is close to yours, however Wiki is not paper does not make the same point as you--Yskyflyer 23:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Damage!
Cos there aren't enough people checking!!! But thanks for finding it -- Herby talk thyme 19:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: You've been thinking too fast
I'm sorry. I didn't know I was altering things that were important to the discussion of the naming policy. I was just altering the links so they would point to articles and not the redirects which I created that night.

I agree that I was thinking too fast. I should have remember what John Wooden said: "Be quick—but don't hurry." --Think Fast 02:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Just to remember you
Policies and guidelines/Vote/Be Bold is running, try to cast your vote (a list of policies/guidelines is available Policies_and_guidelines/Proposed_reform. Txs. --Panic 19:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)