User talk:Psoup

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Source texts
Please note that ‎Three Hundred Tang Poems and The Analects seem to fall outside the scope of Wikibooks. Unless this is remedied, they will be deleted. --Swift (talk) 20:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Swift, Why do they fall outside the scope of Wikibooks? And if they do, what is the remedy? Cheers, PeaSoup 02:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Source texts fall outside the scope of Wikibooks but can be included if they contain annotations. I guess the question is whether presenting the poems in different scripts along with a translation can qualify as an annotation. It would help if you described the scope, intent and approach you plan on for the book. --Swift (talk) 10:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Swift, thanks for getting back to me on this. The texts are at least a few hundred years old, and access to the source is not difficult, as they have been widely published. i believe they qualify as annotations because the sources are usually in traditional Chinese, whereas i use simplified Chinese, which is probably the most common form of written Chinese used today, as it is used in countries like the PRC and Singapore. To further promote understanding, the English translations and the Chinese Pinyin forms are given. The sources do not include Pinyin, and since Chinese is not a phonetic language (i.e. not based on an alphabet), there is no guide to pronunciation in the source texts. (Incidentally, there is also no punctuation in the original texts.) Even simple words can have various pronunciations, as well as different associated meanings. For example, the word 乐 can be read as yuè (which means "music") or lè (which means "happiness"). The translations and Pinyin together serve as a guide to the meanings of the source texts. As many Chinese words sound alike, but are written differently with different meanings, homophones are used to evoke imagery or meanings that cannot be easily translated into English or any other language. This is another use of Pinyin to help deepen understanding of ancient texts. Cheers, PeaSoup 03:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The way you present it, the pinyin seems particularly educational (which is the prime goal of the project after all). I suggest you add a short paragraph or two about the scope of each wikibook, who it's for and what the reader can learn from it (along the lines you did above). I think that should not only satisfy most people, but make it easier for browsing readers to figure out if it's for them (or their students). You may also want to track down some of the Chinese books and see if it might make sense to link from them to these as related wikibooks. --Swift (talk) 09:58, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Swift, Thanks for the leg up. i looked at the Chinese books, and found it useful to follow the style (intro) of some of them, including http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Developing_Skills_in_Chinese and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese, although the former omits Pinyin and the latter uses traditional Chinese, but includes Pinyin. Cheers. Psoup.

Right or Wong
I've done some maintenance work on several language books so I have a fair amount of them on my watchlist. I try to keep an eye out for vandalism but since I don't speak most of these languages, I'm not always sure if the edits introduce inaccuracies.

That's the case with [ this edit] to the Cantonese book which I was wondering if you knew if was correct. Google translate gives "Wang", but it doesn't seem to differentiate between various Chinese languages.

I also wanted to encourage you to put a few language books on your watchlist to monitor them. There are several Wikibookians dedicated to patrolling recent edits, but they can hardly be expected to judge the accuracy of all edits &mdash; especially not those in both a foreign language and unfamiliar script. --Swift (talk) 00:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Swift, "Wong" is the correct pronunciation in Cantonese. In Mandarin it is pronounced as "Wang", and Teochew it is "Ng". I've put this book on my watchlist. Cheers, PeaSoup 02:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, PeaSoup. --Swift (talk) 02:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi
I'm Steve but my friends (who are nonexistant) call me Technogeek. I am a low-life loser who nobody likes. I steal my friend's girlfriend because I'm a mean person. I hate myself. I am always depressed. Nobody likes me nobody cares. My friend Jonny hates me. I hate me. Won't you feel sorry for me, a pathetic two-faced no good geek? Technogeek43 (talk) 08:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Steve aka Technogeek43, it appears that you created your account at 08:04, 29 March 2010, and then left a message here 6 minutes later. Did you automate the process? Cheers, PeaSoup 09:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope. My sory self whined about my life to you manually. I'm a geek though and I have no friends. Technogeek43 (talk) 09:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi i am using my hand phone to reply so it is most uncomfortable. Pea soup
 * I doubt the sincerity of this and would recommend not feeding the trolls. -- Adrignola talk contribs 16:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * i agree. Thanks for your comments. Peasoup