User talk:OrenBochman

Patterns Of Screen Writing/Planning/Viewer's Perspective
Hello, you've created a subpage of a book here. That is, normally there would be a book called Patterns of Screen Writing with pages nested below it named like the one you created. You didn't create the main page. Did you mean to create the subpage inside an existing book, or is this a new book? If it's a new book, we can create the rest of the structure easily QU TalkQu 21:19, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * A new book called "Patterns Of Screen Writing" the main page has already been deleted and the first page I inserted has been moved in the middle of the edit. For the record I did not request that the page be deleted. I suggest you remove you anti vandalism box from your profile for at least a week. OrenBochman (discuss • contribs) 21:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * If QU deleted one your pages unnecessarily, then I am sure the error would have been quickly corrected in response to a request from you. He is one of the most active and capable admins here, as you will soon realise if you hang around for any length of time. Recent Runes (discuss • contribs) 21:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I already corrected the error my-self. Overzealous deletion is the main reasons MediaWiki projects are suffering decline in new users. I has already done over a dozen edits, developed a template and created a sub page. An experienced admin should check the contribution pattern of a new user. And if he decides to delete my work in progress he should take responsibility for it. Anyhow I've spent more time in talk: namespace than in the main namespace. OrenBochman (discuss • contribs) 22:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Good evening to you too. In the interest of fostering a friendlier atmosphere, I will share with you my experience. The main page was edited several times according to the documentation of this wiki, unfortunately it had a superfluous slash in the name which confused MediaWiki software and even more confusing to me. The documentation is too rich for new comers to not get lost. We need time to get oriented. Unfortunately I found that the recommended example book is too complex to be of use. I started over and added made my own templates. I need a content page to see if it works. It is a simple page in word but not so simple to wikify, it also has some issues requiring urgent editing. When I save the second half I get errors, diffs, mail messages and I lose my work. I was annoyed but I also noticed a kind offer to help restructure my one page book. I have no idea what you are talking about but the main page was now gone too. I start to panic. I lose much of my reolve to add another 390 pages. I then notice you write that the only contributor has requested the main page deletion which I did not. This is elicited a power emotional response. anger. I now need to use special pages, contribution histories to make any headway. I have lost editing momentum and so we talk. Next I am told that you are the best of the best of the admins.


 * Since you are a powerful admin and I am new to this wiki - please point me to a policy page or a vote by your peers which outlines this deletion policy. I'd much rather read it now then after I invest many hours of work. I will be your pardon, clear my pages and take my leave of this place. I state for the record that the page did contain a Title, 0% content indicator, and a rudimentary TOC template and a new page. Together these should constitute the basis of a new book attempt by a new user. I do not see the merit of beginning a community discussion or ethics committee. since you'd not get a slap on the wrist. I'd much prefer if you try to work in a more cordial fashion.


 * Good night and please forgive my tantrum. And delete the redirect OrenBochman (discuss • contribs) 00:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry took a while to come back to this as my original comments have been changed / removed by your last edit and I wanted to see what had happened. The deletion policy is here WB:Deletion policy. The "substantially no content" point I made broadly falls under "no meaningful content" as a reason to delete under the policy. As recommended in the policy I then came to the talk page of the creator (you) to try and discuss it. As I noted before, clearly in this case I made a mistake and the page shouldn't have been deleted. As a general point you will find that Wikibooks is very policy light and behaviour tends to be governed by custom and practice far more than rules (in contrast to Wikipedia) so you won't find a huge body of precedent or rules to dictate what happens. Regarding your concern, there is no risk of your work being deleted now unless it falls foul of the original research original research policy or is off scope by not being a textbook. I'm not "powerful" in any way at all and my "peers" are all contributors - whether they've made one edit or 10,000. Recent Runes's comment just reflects the fact that I'm the most active of the administrators here at the moment (e.g, of the admin actions carried out in the last 3 months I've performed 62% of them meaning the majority of the anti-vandalism work that requires admin rights is being done by me, which of course also means I make the majority of the mistakes. This is I think the first "bad" deletion of the 5569 I've done for various reasons over the years. I wish I was perfect, I'm not, but a success rate of 99.98% doesn't seem too bad to me at least. QU TalkQu 09:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Patterns Of Screen Writing
Great work. Thanks for your contributions to the Wikibooks project. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 17:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

PDF generation
On your user page, while I disagree with various points about unfriendliness of the wiki, PDF generation is most definitely possible. See Help:Collections. You can then link to the collection with collection, which also has links to the print-on-demand store and the actual PDF that can be saved. – Adrignola discuss 21:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the update - I succeeded in creating the pdf version but it does not respect the css usage. I'm testing if it is possible to do a template based page numbers but it is getting very complicatedOrenBochman (discuss • contribs) 21:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)