User talk:Meniktah

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Hello, thank you for creating the Sweet Potato Tropicana recipe. You made a small spelling mistake in the title, so I have moved the page to the correct name. You'll find it here: Cookbook:Sweet Potato Tropicana. Unusual? Quite TalkQu 10:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for editing my work, I appreciate that, I'm still learning.Meniktah (talk) 03:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Hebrew Roots/Unclean foods/Diseases
Since you removed the tag and cleared the talk page, I take the chance to ask you for the next time to avoid doing the latter, just close it as addressed if you think it is. In this case I still think the is still justified, even if I didn't enumerate all the issues of the page. I took another look at it after your change and can still see problems in SEA CREATURES, CREEPING THINGS section (just mentioning what I browsed upon, there may be other problems). I will not retag it for now as I think you are probably still addressing it, if not, or if you disagree with my observations about the content I all ask you to please retag the page as a (I'm watching both pages you can reply to me here). --Panic (talk) 04:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have restored your message at [[Talk:Hebrew Roots/Unclean

foods/Diseases]] and will not do it again. I thought that i was supposed to remove the content you emntioned and the issue would be resolved. I will reply to it fully later. (Meniktah)


 * I have edited the page according to what I understand you have seen the problems to be by eliminating national issues and I have tried to make it more scientifically-based. I hope the changes are satisfactory. Thankyou for your comments and guidance in this.

I would like to suggest that the audience for which I have written could be considered extremist, similar to Orthodox Jews and something more neutral and scientifically-based is available in Wikipedia. I would think that it is only Hebrew Roots people and those interested in the subject that would normally come to these pages and therefore the material is written for that audience. (Meniktah)


 * I hope you understand that this is not an issue about the religious aspect of the text. The case here (and I haven't checked even if you are the only author of the content of that page) is that it continues to be too misleading in the analysis/justification that it attempts to do in contemporaneous terms with a text that even if believed from God himself is outdated if not only in the language (very open to diverse interpretations).
 * Even with your edits today I see several issues for example just at the beginning "Pork and Shellfish are two of the most commonly eaten unclean foods in our society and recent research has proven that they are unsuitable foods for human consumption." this is not NPOV and is... well, false affirmation, from the food items (considering population distribution, cereals as the main food source and food contamination, insects would predominate), to the conclusion it makes. Most parts of the world accept those food items as proper food and governments would be criminal to have the population eat from unsafe food sources. This could easily be corrected by a clearer and evident wording of facts and relating it all with the text without attempting to promote its validity, for a faithful there will be no need for more that the original text. I recognize also a selection of citations that only reinforce the same view point/opinion, this is so clear to most readers that it corrodes any usefulness of the page.
 * You have to keep in mind that requiring a NPOV doesn't remove the liberty to express the view point of anyone, it is just a warning of an unbalance on the text that is tagged, it doesn't even obligate you to fix the text. This of course makes any work on Wikibooks not suitable to express any extremist/supremacy/marketing or propaganda subject, since it will undoubtedly foment a violation of the NPOV policy (since those types of texts wouldn't resist contradictory or concurrent viewpoints to exist at the same time). I could do a bit of rewording but this is not a particular subject that interests me (religion in general and the interpretation people make of religious texts).
 * PS: Try to sign you posts so a timeline is kept and it easier to see who wrote what. --Panic (talk) 03:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

edit for Hebrew Roots/Unclean Foods/Diseases
(moved from Panic's talk page so to keep all conversation together and easy to fallow)

This is Meniktah. I am not sure what the problem is that you are finding with the page, seeing it is a Bible-based perspective which is very closely aligned with the Jewish understanding on these things. I removed what I understood you were referring to that you thought was extreme, however seeing it is based on medical research, I fail to see your point of view. I would have thought that the purpose of Wiki sources is to inform people. Mostly, I don't understand your objection. Please explain more, Meniktah


 * Hi Meniktah. Ok the problems I'm finding in that page is things like "such as shark, lack the counterbalancing chemical selenium which enables the fish to be fit for human consumption and not toxic." (this is not a true statement of facts) and for instance "Almost all are of the unclean varieties." a bit of tweaking on the wording to fit what you did intend to explain would result in something like "Most of these would fit the description for the unclean varieties" (since you will be relating it to the interpretation of the original text, without making it an affirmation).
 * But the major problem is that you seem to be attempting to prove a point of view using wrong argumentation based on partial facts or complete disregard for the truth, since the texts were written so long ago were knowledge of the world was very limited. I do believe that the text at the time they were written had a useful purpose for the people at that level of social and cultural state.


 * You are attempting to validate the old warning using todays state of affairs mostly based on human actions that weren't present when the text was written down. As an example in simple words we know that to have a bacteria that is resistant to antibiotics you have to give it time to build that resistance...


 * "SHRIMP In a study in Starkville, Mississippi, they found that so-called ready-to-eat shrimp can be a reservoir of antibiotic-resistant bacteria and could be dangerous to people with compromised immune systems.


 * University microbiologist Douglas L. Marshall recently concluded a two-year study to determine if ready-to-eat shrimp is contaminated with bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. The professor of food science and technology said he and graduate student Gianna Duran analyzed 13 packages of prepared shrimp products, including shrimp cocktails and shrimp salads available in grocery outlets.


 * Another reason for this state of affairs is the underwater plant life blooms due to human made pollution and the use of water ways and the sea as for disposal or human waste. The same is true for the excess presence of heavy metals on fish, this aren't normal, and don't relate to the texts.
 * But this are just the tip of the iceberg, since the text then goes on considerations that are clearly personal "anyone out there who indulges in the consumption of these disgusting creatures".
 * Don't you see any problems there ? --Panic (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * o.k. I see what you mean - thanks (Meniktah)

Appendix1
Hello Meniktah.

I believe you were trying to add Appendix1 to your book, but you accidentally created it as a new book.

Please use the "Move" button at the top of its page to put it in a more appropriate place, like "Hebrew Roots/Appendix". You can then add to the old page. Thank you.

If you have any questions, you can ask on my talk page. -- Mr. NMC (talk ) 21:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you still need Restoring the Foundations/Introduction/appendix deleted? &mdash; Mike.lifeguard &#124; talk 02:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do Meniktah