User talk:Mardus

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Categories
Categories are used exclusively for collecting the pages of a single book together; they are not used to link pages across different books (e.g., pages in books about different programming languages that are both about writing functions are NOT linked using a category called "programming functions"). As such I think all the categories you are creating are wrong. Please stop creating them and discuss what you are doing in the Reading Room to ensure it has consensus - thanks. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 14:54, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * User:QuiteUnusual, I was making a good-faith attempt to mimic the category system at Wikipedia, because it's more extensive. In addition, the categories I created were also missing, and some of the books are not yet properly categorised. I hope you haven't undone much of the category work I did. -Mardus (discuss • contribs) 05:10, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * &mdash; becau a se I was planning to populate those categories. -Mardus (discuss • contribs) 05:12, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The Wikibooks category system doesn't work the same way as the Wikipedia one. (Actually, the Wikibooks system is due for an upgrade &mdash; after which it will still be different from the Wikipedia system &mdash; which I volunteered about half a year ago to undertake as soon as I could get to it, and still mean to do as soon as I can get to it.)  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 12:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * @Pi zero: Once I got to the root category, I discovered that there are two category systems in Wikibooks: one for books proper ("Books about this and that"), and one for categories, where each book could be in, and then a category for each book. Because there are hundreds of categories exactly like the ones I created, I find it rather dubious, that a category called 'Windows' should be about only one book. And several books already need categorisation, and I thought the categories I've so far created, to be useful enough to place books in, but these categories should each not be about one book only. -Mardus (discuss • contribs) 13:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Best learn how the Wikibooks system works before tampering extensively, especially if those with prior knowledge of it are telling you there's a problem with what you've been doing. There should be something at Using Wikibooks; that'd be the place the start.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * @Pi zero, It would have been better to point to Categories. Apart from the categories I've created, it seems that some of them can just be reordered. -Mardus (discuss • contribs) 13:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not clear to me that that page has been fully updated for the last round of upgrades to our subject hierarchy infrastructure. What sort of additions do you have in mind?  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 14:53, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * @Pi zero, Category:Books by subject contains the same categories as in Wikipedia; populating said categories would be the work that needs to be done. There is also a post from 2008 at Help talk:Categories, that basically asks which place exactly tells how the categories at Wikibooks should be set up, because I don't see much difference, when it comes to creating categories under category 'Books by subject'. -Mardus (discuss • contribs) 16:03, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No, subjects are not like categories as on Wikipedia. Subjects are quite a different proposition.  To understand the Wikibooks subject hierarchy you shouldn't even be looking at the subject categories, which are an under-the-hood implementation detail (to overextend the metaphor, imagine trying to learn to drive a car by studying its intake manifold).  Wikibooks is different from Wikipedia, and the differences aren't arbitrary; there are reasons things are different.  Improving things here does not mean making them more like Wikipedia.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * @Pi zero I gather, that most of the categories that I have so far created, can by that fashion be moved under Category:Books by subject. My initial intent has been to make things more easily findable, and that books could be sorted not just by subject matter, but in a tree-like fashion, like from categories in Wikipedia; so that things would be easier to find by readers. So, for each book, I could use the subject tag, and each subject either has, or is itself placed under some subject. -Mardus (discuss • contribs) 19:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No. I repeat, subject categories are under-the-hood machinery.  Creating them for their own sake just makes a mess. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 20:18, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * If you hadn't taken a look, I recommend again Using Wikibooks. It tends to be the primary repository for practical documentation about the project.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 12:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Shelf:Android
I see (yes, belatedly) you've created a shelf for the Android OS. Iirc Using Wikibooks says there should be two books when creating a shelf (unless that particular passage hasn't been updated since before the era of the Wikibooks Stacks). Do we have two books to go on that shelf? --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 00:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, I've removed it for now. We can resurrect it with cause. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 23:33, 15 June 2019 (UTC)