User talk:Leaderboard/Archive 2

Clipper Tutorial: a Guide to Open Source Clipper(s)
I appreciate the promptness with which you verified the last changes I made to my Clipper Tutorial: a Guide to Open Source Clipper(s) wikibook. However, copying the whole text of the page Clipper Tutorial: a Guide to Open Source Clipper(s) to the new page I created (which was meant to split a page otherwise too long) left its three subpages (Getting Acquainted, Basic Language Tutorial and Making Up a User Interface) without their parent page and Basic Language Tutorial linking to subpages which are not supposed to exist. Furthermore, it has canceled out my attempt to divide the page into smaller sections as now Basic Language Tutorial contains the whole text of its parent page in addition to the subsection that page was meant to contain.

I thought it was clear from the brief description of what I'd done ("moved some content to a new page") that the new page should not contain the whole thing.

Unfortunately, I also made some changes to the text in the subpage Basic Language Tutorial which I didn't backup locally and as far as I can see they vanished.

I would really appreciate it if you'd restore the moved page back where it was.

Povigna (discuss • contribs) 22:33, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, in that case do you need me to restore the page I deleted? Would that itself help you complete your tasks? I apologise for the inconvenience. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:21, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually yes, otherwise I will have to recreate the master page by moving content UP from the Basic Language Tutorial subpage, and this would make the history logs look confused. Don't worry, these things happen :-) sorry if I pointed out the problem so impersonally yesterday. &bull;&bull;&bull; Povigna (discuss • contribs) 12:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've reversed the changes I made the previous day. Let me know if you require anything else. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, I checked right now and everything is ok :-) Povigna (discuss • contribs) 13:31, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Muggles' Guide again...
In view of the recent threats from that IP editor on the admin assistance board, should I be considering partial protection on the entire MG? I mean, everything so far has been empty threats... Chazz (talk) 00:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Also - someone in Poland, at 89.64.23.167, tried to reset my password. Don't know if that's useful information... Chazz (talk) 00:49, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's difficult to justify, as that basically locks out an entire book from contributors who may be editing in good faith. The latter sentence seems to be just the editor trying to harass you, and can be ignored. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that it does block out a lot of good faith editors, not that there have been a tremendous number of them of late... of IP editors, it has seemed to me that maybe 25% are good faith, the remainder being deliberate vandalism. But I chose words carefully - asking if I should be considering the option, not yet suggesting we actually do it.
 * As far as the threats on-project, I don't know if he carried through on his threat to report an old upload of mine; if he did, it had been vacated by the time I checked ten minutes later. But he also sent a threat and a trap by email; he created a user Dobrewino who sent me an email requesting information, in an attempt to get my actual email address. (Same GMail user as his later threat letter from Joesbread.) For what it's worth, I didn't answer either message.
 * The password reset is almost certainly the same person trying to harass me, which is why I mentioned the IP, thought it might be of use. I ignored it also. Chazz (talk) 06:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's the right time to consider personally (and also noting that cascading protection does not exist for semi-protection). Maybe can help? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 06:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please send me the email you got from that user, if possible. I want to compare that with someone who has been harassing me via email (but the IP address in my case is completely different and in a different location). Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 06:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've sent message body text. I can also forward message headers, but I don't know if WM includes anything useful in there... and it's a little hard to get to because it's on the other computer at the moment. Chazz (talk) 06:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * &lt;dropping by&gt; Atm, I have no particular technical insight to offer; only the observation that a long-term abuser shouldn't be allowed to goad us into withdrawing our openness toward good-faith IPs. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 11:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

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Permanent page
How can i make a permanent page at wikibooks? Md Tanbir Islam (discuss • contribs) 14:07, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Please check Using Wikibooks. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 22:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages
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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.

Help
What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team wants your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.

Talk pages project
The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.

The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved"  section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.

Mobile visual editor
The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

Edit Cards



 * On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
 * There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
 * Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.

Toolbar



 * In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
 * One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
 * New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
 * Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
 * Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania
The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

 * Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes. The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page:  Getting involved.
 * Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist:  VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
 * Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations.  The Editing team hopes to share results in November.  The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist:  Edit Cards project page.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 11:11, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools
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The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. The goal of the talk pages project is to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. This project is the result of the Talk pages consultation 2019.



The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.


 * On 31 March 2020, the new tool was offered as a Beta Feature editors at four Wikipedias:  Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian.  If your community also wants early access to the new tool, contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF).
 * The team is planning some upcoming changes. Please review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page.  The team will test features such as:
 * an easy way to mention another editor ("pinging"),
 * a rich-text visual editing option, and
 * other features identified through user testing or recommended by editors.

To hear more about Editing Team updates, please add your name to the "Get involved"  section of the project page. You can also watch these pages: the main project page, Updates, Replying, and User testing.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #2
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This issue of the Editing newsletter includes information the Talk pages project, an effort to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily.


 * Reply tool : This is available as a Beta Feature at the four partner wikis (Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian Wikipedias). The Beta Feature is called "".  The Beta Feature will get new features soon.  The new features include writing comments in a new visual editing mode and pinging other users by typing  . You can test the new features on the Beta Cluster now.  Some other wikis will have a chance to try the Beta Feature in the coming months.
 * New requirements for user signatures : Soon, users will not be able to save invalid custom signatures in Special:Preferences. This will reduce signature spoofing, prevent page corruption, and make new talk page tools more reliable.  Most editors will not be affected.
 * New discussion tool : The Editing team is beginning work on a simpler process for starting new discussions.   You can see the initial design on the project page.
 * Research on the use of talk pages : The Editing team worked with the Wikimedia research team to study how talk pages help editors improve articles.  We learned that new editors who use talk pages make more edits to the main namespace than new editors who don't use talk pages.

– Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #3
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Seven years ago this month, the Editing team offered the visual editor to most Wikipedia editors. Since then, editors have achieved many milestones:


 * More than 50 million edits have been made using the visual editor on desktop.
 * More than 2 million new articles have been created in the visual editor. More than 600,000 of these new articles were created during 2019.
 * The visual editor is increasingly popular . The proportion of all edits made using the visual editor has increased every year since its introduction.
 * In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers (logged-in editors with ≤99 edits) used the visual editor. This percentage has increased every year.
 * Almost 5 million edits on the mobile site have been made with the visual editor. Most of these edits have been made since the Editing team started improving the mobile visual editor in 2018.
 * On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor. 🚀 👩‍🚀
 * Editors have made more than 7 million edits in the 2017 wikitext editor, including starting 600,000 new articles in it. The 2017 wikitext editor is VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode.  You can enable it in your preferences.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

12:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #4
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Reply tool


The Reply tool  has been available as a Beta Feature at the Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian Wikipedias since 31 March 2020. The first analysis showed positive results.


 * More than 300 editors used the Reply tool at these four Wikipedias. They  posted more than 7,400 replies during the study period.
 * Of the people who posted a comment with the Reply tool, about 70% of them used the tool multiple times. About 60% of them used it on multiple days.
 * Comments from Wikipedia editors are positive. One said, أعتقد أن الأداة تقدم فائدة ملحوظة؛ فهي تختصر الوقت لتقديم رد بدلًا من التنقل بالفأرة إلى وصلة تعديل القسم أو الصفحة، التي تكون بعيدة عن التعليق الأخير في الغالب، ويصل المساهم لصندوق التعديل بسرعة باستخدام الأداة.  ("I think the tool has a significant impact; it saves time to reply while the classic way is to move with a mouse to the Edit link to edit the section or the page which is generally far away from the comment. And the user reaches to the edit box so quickly to use the Reply tool.")

The Editing team released the Reply tool as a Beta Feature at eight other Wikipedias in early August. Those Wikipedias are in the Chinese, Czech, Georgian, Serbian, Sorani Kurdish, Swedish, Catalan, and Korean languages. If you would like to use the Reply tool at your wiki, please tell User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF).

The Reply tool is still in active development. Per request from the Dutch Wikipedia and other editors, you will be able to customize the edit summary. (The default edit summary is "Reply".) A "ping" feature is available in the Reply tool's visual editing mode. This feature searches for usernames. Per request from the Arabic Wikipedia, each wiki will be able to set its own preferred symbol for pinging editors. Per request from editors at the Japanese and Hungarian Wikipedias, each wiki can define a preferred signature prefix in the page MediaWiki:Discussiontools-signature-prefix. For example, some languages omit spaces before signatures. Other communities want to add a dash or a non-breaking space.

New requirements for user signatures

 * The new requirements for custom user signatures began on 6 July 2020. If you try to create a custom signature that does not meet the requirements, you will get an error message.
 * Existing custom signatures that do not meet the new requirements will be unaffected temporarily . Eventually, all custom signatures will need to meet the new requirements. You can check your signature and see lists of active editors whose custom signatures need to be corrected.  Volunteers have been contacting editors who need to change their custom signatures.  If you need to change your custom signature, then please read the help page.

Next: New discussion tool
Next, the team will be working on a tool for quickly and easily starting a new discussion section to a talk page. To follow the development of this new tool, please put the New Discussion Tool project page on your watchlist.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

A new proposal
Hi, there is currently a proposal at Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals for non-admins to be given the ability of    and. Since you’ve been an active user on Wikibooks for the last thirty day, I thought you might join in by giving feedback/opinion or amendments. Thank you so much for your time Synoman Barris (discuss • contribs) 12:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #1
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Reply tool
The Reply tool  is available at most Wikipedias.


 * The Reply tool has been deployed as an opt-out preference to all editors at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.
 * It is also available as a Beta Feature at almost all Wikipedias except for the English, Russian, and German-language Wikipedias. If it is not available at your wiki, you can request it by following these simple instructions.

Research notes:


 * As of January 2021, more than 3,500 editors have used the Reply tool to post about 70,000 comments.
 * We have preliminary data from the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedia on the Reply tool. Junior Contributors who use the Reply tool are more likely to publish the comments they start writing than those who use full-page wikitext editing.
 * The Editing and Parsing teams have significantly reduced the number of edits that affect other parts of the page. About 0.3% of edits did this during the last month. Some of the remaining changes are automatic corrections for Special:LintErrors.
 * Венов_дијаграм.svg A large A/B test will start soon. This is part of the process to offer the Reply tool to everyone.  During this test, half of all editors at 24 Wikipedias will have the Reply tool automatically enabled, and half will not. You can still turn it on or off for your own account in Special:Preferences.

New discussion tool
The new tool for starting new discussions (new sections) will join the Discussion tools in Special:Preferences at the end of January. You can try the tool for yourself. You can leave feedback in this thread or on the talk page.

Next: Notifications
During Talk pages consultation 2019, editors said that it should be easier to know about new activity in conversations they are interested in. The Notifications project is just beginning. What would help you become aware of new comments? What's working with the current system? Which pages at your wiki should the team look at? Please post your advice at notifications-talk.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:Goodbook/Linear Algebra
I've given it a try, anyway. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 00:04, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Could be made shorter by deleting the list of topics (set off by em-dashes). --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 00:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Filter 65
Special:AbuseFilter/65 has a number of duplicate conditions (eg lines 4 and 5, or lines 7 and 8) and could also be optimized a bit (eg put the action check earlier) - since there are so many active admins here, I'm hesitant to clean it up as a GS, but would you mind taking a look? --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 18:43, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have fixed a couple of the duplicates, but I definitely don't mind your improving the filter, as long as correctness is maintained. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd rather not, since Global rights policy isn't really clear about this, and its not urgent. But, for the current version at Special:AbuseFilter/history/65/item/341
 * the check on line 6 should cover the checks on 4 and 5 too, so those can be removed
 * the checks on lines 2, 42, and 52 could probably be simplified using
 * I'll let you know if I see anything else DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 19:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Rogue admins
On Wikinews I'm a crat and certainly can de-sysop users (and we're glad to have local control of that), though I can't speak for Wikibooks since I'm not a crat here. (?)

I have heard, and do in part believe, that admins cannot unblock themselves; I think that's been true for some years, in which case we may do better to just say they can't, rather than say they can no longer. (If I were curious enough, I could use an alternate account on Wikinews to test that's so.) --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 02:15, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No, crats can't de-sysop users on Wikibooks (see Special:ListGroupRights), much as it would be a nice thing to have. I think it is actually "no longer", because the change to prevent admins from unblocking timeselves happened only 2 - 3 years back or so (T150826). Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 07:20, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * On a project like this, with one crat, it'd be faster to ask a Steward than wait on a crat to remove the bit. The main issue is dealing with convincing anyone to do a de-sysop in a less clear cut case. E.g., an admin using their rights to block multiple new users for obscure reasons. We've seen this problem on other projects and the Stewards struggle to deal with it. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 09:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Adminship
Hi Leaderboard,

Thanks for your recent suggestion that I apply for adminship. Anyway, I've decided to go for it, and I have created a blurb at User:Mrjulesd/sandbox about my contributions. What do you think? And would you like to nominate me? I'd be happiest if you did, but its not strictly necessary.

Thanks again, -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 21:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Go ahead. I generally do not nominate candidates, but this is not a reflection on your ability. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 21:20, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * OK well that's fair enough. I think a self-nom should be OK. I would ask QU but him being a bureaucrat means he will close it, so perhaps not. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 21:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. But a question for you: do you tend to advertise them at all? It would be nice to get broad consensus if possible. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 22:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC) text
 * Not usually; in general the RFP is enough since we do not have a minimum number of votes required for an RfA to pass (the exception is CheckUser as they have a Meta-enforced support requirement), and the policy gives the bureaucrat discretion if needed. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 07:20, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

(Reviewer)
Sorry about that. Anyway, I am only 5 days away from automatically becoming a reviewer, so is there no possible way to just make that happen now? It would make things a lot easier for me and you (I guess). Thanks. --Mathmogeek (discuss • contribs) 17:27, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . As others said, it's not that there is an issue with your contributions. It's rather that we require that bit of experience to become a reviewer (which allows for more than just reviewing, like moving without redirects and rollbacking). Actually, you won't become a reviewer in just 5 days; there are some other conditions (see Reviewer for the list) that you also need to satisfy. P.S: don't remove past requests just like that; we do not do that. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:32, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * . Why would I not become a reviewer in just 5 days? It seems to me like I check all the boxes except for the 30 days old one. Also, sorry for removing past requests like that; I did not know. Sorry. How does one remove requests, anyway? --Mathmogeek (discuss • contribs) 17:38, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If I were to compare yours with the requirements listed,
 * Have a registered account that is at least 30 days old, with an email set and confirmed in Special:Preferences. - you'll get that in 5 days
 * Have never been blocked, and have never had the reviewer tools removed (you can request the tools if otherwise). - you satisfy that
 * Have at least 100 edits since registration (excluding deleted edits), in which: - OK
 * 50 or more edits are to pages other than discussion pages, including edits to the main space, Cookbook, and Wikijunior.- OK
 * 50 or more edit summaries are used. - hmm
 * 10 or more unique pages are edited at least once. - could do that
 * 8 edits are spaced 2 or more days apart from each other (which takes at least 14 days, if you edit every 2 days). - this is the problem: you've edited only in three distinct days
 * 5 or more edits are in recent changes at the time automatic reviewer promotion is checked (this works out to be anytime in the past week). - OK
 * Anyway, this demonstrates that you won't have to wait too long, and I'd rather have you use this time to get used to the project better. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:42, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I think I would just feel very discouraged if I do not get granted this, and probably not work on this project for a while (even with the automatated reviewer tools coming soon). Especially since I spent a lot of time on here already. I don't know... Like, it's only 5 days... you know? --Mathmogeek (discuss • contribs) 17:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I understand, but we generally do not give reviewer permissions this early (even if it is only 5 days), and you can confirm this by seeing past reviewer archives in WB:RFP; you can see that these requests are normally turned down. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I am not going to beg for this any longer. But I am greatly disappointed, is all I can really say. So what if such requests are normally turned down (usually they are because they do not satisfy all the requirements anyway)? We can call this a special case. But, it is up to you in the end. The key is in your hands. Mathmogeek (discuss • contribs) 18:03, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't mind this case reviewed by another admin (what do you think /?) to see if they have a different opinion on this. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Should I ask / on their discussion boards? Or should I wait for them to reply here? Mathmogeek (discuss • contribs) 18:11, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * There is no need to ask them on their talk pages; you've pinged them which is enough. Wait for them to reply here. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm not sure why you think this is a big issue. There is no need for edits to be reviewed - readers see your edits straight away (with rare exceptions, like if you are editing Wikijunior) and the other rights that come in the package are not relevant to people creating new content most of the time. Putting this aside, while Leaderboard closed the discussion, and admins are allowed to judge these cases, ultimately they are led by the community and act to do what they think the community wants. In the case of your request, Leaderboard followed the consensus established over time that we don't grant reviewer early unless the community expresses a strong opinion that it should be. In your case, the request for the rights didn't receive any support from the community and I think any of the admins here would have closed it the same way: declining the request and suggesting you wait. Remember, the community established the rules for auto promotion and so admins will always tend to avoid promoting manually before these criteria are met. Most cases where we have done it manually are because there was a technical problem in the auto promote. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 23:46, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

well guys... I am now 30 days old but the system did not make me a reviewer ):. Please check and update it! Mathmogeek (discuss • contribs) 21:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Please have patience, as Mrjulesd pointed out on your talk page, the number of days is not the only criterion used. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 07:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Re: Sandbox
Sorry, force of habit. :) --Sannita (WMIT) (discuss • contribs) 13:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

yelta conferene, you requested contact
why did you destroy all of that valuable info, what is your problem, what is your obsession? It had to do with yelta conference in every way, restore as it was to last version. being from russia and a student of russian history and culture, i know what i wrote.
 * Restored for now. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Top-navigation formatting...
https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Template:ORP&oldid=3361648

Was the top-navigation behaviour documented somewhere? It looks very useful and I wanted to make a note about it. ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 07:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "top-navigation"? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:10, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


 * In the linked page there was a line in the wikitext-

I was wanting to know where the code or style that places content with that ID set at the top of a page (rather than at the point at which it occurs in wikitext is is, so I can take a look. ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 16:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Unless I am missing something, I am not sure that  is in itself useful; it's just a reference. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 10:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I think I am poorly communicating then. When the linked template is called from a page (such asTrainz/Kinds/kind_buildable ),  the portion marked as "top-navigation" is apparently relocated to the top of the page, even though the nominal template is placed after other content on the page.

This is useful as I explained. However, I was wanting to find out where this behavior was originating from, so that I could take that behavior into account if I encountered it again. ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 17:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


 * BTW My request concerning review of my LintError repairs, was not a trival request, WikiBooks has differing templates and  technqiques compared to Wikipedia, (and English Wikisource) where I had also been making repairs.  If you have a list of common repairs for LintErrors you have encountered I would be interested in seeing those turned into an appropriate Wikibook, so other contirbutors don't have to put in the same level of debugging on "known pitfalls". ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 17:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For your first one, Template:ORP calls Template:ORP-top, and then I see Template:TRS-hdrbox which is configurable to say at the top.
 * Does that help? Let me know if it doesn't.
 * For your second one, I personally have no issues with what you're doing and appreciate the work you do. As for the "common repairs" - I simply look at the old Steward pages and find any cases of the formatting being way off, and fix it. This normally happens with a few users whose signatures were malformed (it took years for MediaWiki to catch such errors in signatures). From what I've seen, it's the  tag being misplaced or not closed. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In respect of some repairs, they are sufficiently regular that they could with care, be done using a regexp in AWB, or with a BOT. I don't generally use that tool though as it's possible to wreck pages on an industrial scale if you get a regexp in a search and replace wrong. ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 08:27, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Reverting stuff...
https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Hebrew_Roots/The_original_foundation/Second&oldid=3824432

I wanted to make sure this kind of revert was reasonable I am suprised what looked like a test edit had been there for at least 5 years.

And as I've said elsewhere, I would really appreciate someone taking a look at some of my lint-error repair efforts, in case I've 'repaired' too much. ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 17:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Your revert is fine, once in a while test/spam edits do slip up. And your reverts are fine - there isn't something as "repairing too much" as long as the functionality is not lost, and a couple of random checks confirm my thoughts. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:42, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Confusion over Jinpeng Li/Jinpeng Li Usyd
I worked out what happened. User:Jinpeng Li Usyd created the page now at Transportation Deployment Casebook/2021/Florida Streetcar, but it was on the page User:Jinpeng Li, who doesn't exist. So it was highly confusing really!

But best to message User talk:Jinpeng Li Usyd I suppose, as that was the creator. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 19:31, 8 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Got it, apologies for the mix-up. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

We on Wikivoyage want to know what you've (as a wikibooks community) have done with the trolling history vandal.
Good afternoon Leaderboard, a first timer to Wikibooks, only edit wikivoyage and wikipedia.

If you see the discussion at voy:Wikivoyage_talk:User_ban_nominations, you'll see the discussion and I think as an admin, you'll know what he's exactly done.

If possible, can you please respond at Wikivoyage at the talk page of the link above. This way, everyone in the discussion is well and truly aware of what WikiBooks have done to this guy.

Thanks and take care, --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 11:23, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Done. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 11:38, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 11:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Poem of Sidi Boushaki
Hello Leaderboard,

I just launched the draft translation of the Poem of Sidi Boushaki book, and you deleted it. Could you direct me to re-edit it according to Wikibooks standards. Cordially. --Lofton05 (discuss • contribs) 12:43, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * To clarify, what is your book about? Is this an annotation of a book? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:44, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. Indeed, there is a poem in Arabic on which I wanted to present a preview in English on Wikibooks. Cordially. --Lofton05 (discuss • contribs) 12:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Is that only a single page? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes my friend, one page will be sufficient to characterize and describe this literary work, its author, and other details. Thanks. --Lofton05 (discuss • contribs) 13:20, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've restored (undeleted) your book, as WB:AT does not say that your annotation is not allowed. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your educational approach, and I am delighted by the trust you have placed in me. Warmly. --Lofton05 (discuss • contribs) 13:34, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Maybe this might interest you
I was going through my archives today, and I saw this, Leaderboard. This is pi speaking about functional programming languages back in March 2019. Some academics in an ivory tower somewhere decided it would be a good idea to have a programming language that could only express mathematical functions, and so they created the language Haskell. There are supposed to be no impurities, no side-effects, in Haskell. The trouble is that you can't actually do anything with a language like that except compute an answer; you can't change the state of anything, [2019-03-09 00:48:32]  you can't do input/output. So eventually they came up with a solution: monads. Basically, you pass into your program a pair of values, the first of which is the conventional "input" for your program, and the second of which is the state of the rest of the universe. And your program produces a pair of values, the first of which is the conventional "result" of the program, and the second of which is the new, potentially modified, state of [2019-03-09 00:48:37]  the rest of the universe. I've heard that Mathhias Felleisen (in the Lisp/Scheme world, thus, not a believer in the Haskell direction for programming language design) was in the audience of a talk in Europe unveiling the addition of monads to Haskell, and at the comments period at the end of the talk stood up and said "Thank you for declaring surrender." [2019-03-09 00:53:28]  https://xkcd.com/1312/ Maybe this might interest you. acagastya 💭 07:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

deletion of chapter: "Vicky Phelan, Grainne Flannelly, David Gibbons, and CervicalCheck": can you please undelete?
Leaderboard: Thank you very much for your commitment to Wikibooks' quality. I am a teacher (University of Virginia) and I have three students who are trying to add a good, relevant chapter to the Wikibook called Cases and Ideas in Professional Ethics. This is a class project. The chapter is titled "Vicky Phelan, Grainne Flannelly, David Gibbons, and CervicalCheck." This is a professional ethics case that I recommended to them for inclusion in this book. They are also an unusually good student team whose finished chapter will be of high quality. I have expressly instructed them that a chapter in this book is not to resemble an encyclopedia article. They are trying to meet my deadline for the chapter. I hope that the chapter will be undeleted ASAP. With thanks, Norton (discuss • contribs) 14:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Could you clarify where the said chapter should be? Cases and Ideas in Professional Ethics is not a book. Thanks in advance. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 14:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt reply, Leaderboard. The book is here: Professionalism. The chapter was here: Vicky Phelan, Grainne Flanelly, David Gibbons, and Cervical Check, in the section of the book headed "Biomedical Engineering."  I appreciate your help. Norton (discuss • contribs) 15:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ It is at Professionalism/Vicky_Phelan,_Grainne_Flanelly,_David_Gibbons,_and_Cervical_Check. Note that the reason it was deleted at first was not actually because of Wikipedia, but because it was created in the wrong location (notice that Vicky Phelan, Grainne Flanelly, David Gibbons, and Cervical Check is isolated and not part of a book). The chapter must be a subpage of the main class project, otherwise it can cause confusion, as in this case. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Leaderboard! I will strive to guide students to create their chapters in the right place!  Appreciatively, Norton (discuss • contribs) 15:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Rename rather than create a link?
Hello Leaderboard,

Thanks for removing Oberon/A2/myaos.

Is there a way to rename a page other than by moving it or by deleting the extant page and creating anew? Keeping the extant history is a good idea but the redirect notice at the top of a moved page is a source of confusion for someone unfamiliar with the subject and the mechanics of MediWiki.

Thx,          ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 19:03, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * You should be able to "rename" a page by moving it - choosing not to use a redirect is enough. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * In the move dialogue, uncheck "Leave a redirect behind"? I guess "Watch source page and target page" can also be unchecked.


 * https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Oberon/ still shows Oberon/A2/myaos and Oberon/myaos. For a genuine renaming only the current name would appear in the list. The earlier name would appear in the history. Not possible with current software; correct? Thx, ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 19:28, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. But when you do that, it should be reflected in Special:PrefixIndex (seem that you haven't actually done it yet, if you have clear the cache), because moving without a redirect is just like renaming. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:31, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Correct; I have not yet tried a move without redirect. Before any new moves, I wonder whether past errors can be corrected. Let's consider the old name Oberon/Oberon.Sort.Mod and Oberon/A2/Oberon.Sort.Mod. At the top of the display with the 2nd name is a note "Redirected from Oberon/Oberon.Sort.Mod". Suppose I reverse the move. Then do the move again but without a redirect. Then Oberon/A2/Oberon.Srt.Mod will display without the "Redirected from ..." notice? I can experiment but that might leave some unnecessary detritus. Better that I follow instructions. Thx, ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 20:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes.
 * Assume that you moved A to B under a redirect. Then A simply contains a redirect to B. If you move B to A without redirect, that reverses the action: now B is empty. Then you can move A to B without a redirect as you desired, which effectively renames A to B.
 * BTW: the Beta Cluster is a good place to do all sorts of experiments. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 20:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clear explanation of "re-moving". The Beta Cluster is definitely new territory for me. Will need to study a little. Thanks!  ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 04:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

A more puzzling redirection is visible at Special:PrefixIndex/Oberon/. The first item in the list appears to be a link to the book; the link has the same name as the book. Other books don't have the analogue; it isn't a MediaWiki necessity. Created by another of my blunders? How can this link be removed?

Now I understand two kinds of move: renaming and creation of a link. "Move" describes neither well. Would there be any interest in replacing the "move" command with two commands, "rename" and "createNameLink"?

Thx, ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 16:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * It was created by a random user with the reason something to do with a Wikipedia template issue. I've deleted that redirect. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thx, ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 17:42, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Vicky Phelan, Grainne Flanelly, David Gibbons, and Cervical Check
This seems to be a request for undeletion. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * See two headers above in my talk page, the professor reached out to me. Turns out they were creating in the wrong location. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 07:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good to know. Your talk page is quite long, so I would consider archiving it for better readability. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

the requests
Sorry if they're taking up a lot of your time. I'm just happy to see if the scope can be expanded and perhaps properly sort things into sub-pages (seems like there's numerous subpages of those on pages like Super Mario World or Pokemon). 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You should be able to do most of that (such as moving) on your own - if needed, you can file a request at WB:RR and someone will be ready to help you. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:07, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * What I meant is like how Super Mario 64 and Final Fantasy (I moved from Final Fantasy I by myself) have subpages that have not yet been undeleted. There's probably 500+ ones for Pokemon, so perhaps those can be undeleted on a separate day. I'm eager about these being undeleted, but I worry about taking up too much of your time. Sadly, the places like WikiDream, WikiKnowledge, etc. where lot of these pages were transwikied to are long gone. It wasn't all just moved over to StrategyWiki. Also, what's the standard way of re-formatting the pages? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:11, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "reformatting"? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:13, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I meant like manual of style (is there a manual of style for gaming articles?) 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:14, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We have WB:MOS which could help in general - don't think we have one for games specifically other than the strategy policy. We're generally flexible on that part. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Db-user
You might want to take a look at these—they appear to be deletion requests. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:27, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ Not sure whether they were just using Wikipedia's deletion tags instead of Wikibooks' or if the template actually existed at one point of time. Inclined to think the former. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 11:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

How does transwiki'ing work exactly?
Ok, so Super Mario Sunshine has been moved to transwiki namespace, but when is it safe to move over to namespace? What's the appropriate attribution template? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 13:41, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Whenever you like - in fact I could have moved it over to mainspace directly. The reason we normally import to transwiki is because it allows users to make any change required without affecting the rest of the book. There is no attribution template - the whole reason importing is done is so that users' edits are attributed (otherwise you would have to manually copy-paste and attribute). You can see this by viewing the page history. WB:IMPORT and Importer may also be of help. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:46, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

What does the orange background mean?
Hi Leaderboard, hope your doing well. I was just wondering what the orange highlighted contributions mean on my edits that are seen on Special:Contributions/SHB2000. There's some with no highlighted background, and some with blue. What do these mean? SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 09:19, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It gives information about how well (if at all) the edits have been reviewed (you'll be able to review edits once you become a reviewer. We make heavy use of mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs here. So
 * orange = the page was never reviewed
 * blue = the page was briefly reviewed ("minimal")
 * nothing = the page is not eligible to be reviewed (such as user talk pages or those in the Wikibooks namespace)
 * There are a couple of other tiers ("average" and "good"), but you're unlikely to see them in practice because it's rare that someone would review to that extent. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 09:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Leaderboard. Yeah, when I first came to Wikibooks, I really couldn't help but notice a lot of beta features used here (by default). I might start a discussion on wikivoyage to see if we can use these tools as well. Thanks for your time! SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 09:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I would not recommend using it on Wikivoyage; the benefits are quite minimal in practice (at least to me) and I'm personally not fond of FlaggedRevs - I had proposed removing it from mainspace but didn't get the consensus required. In fact it's that clunky that new wiki installs are not accepted as of writing (there's a phabricator task where they're trimming a lot of the unused features and improving the quality). Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 09:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I see SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 09:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @SHB2000 Just noting that this is not a beta feature but rather a MediaWiki extension. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:21, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * i see SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 11:43, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Not undelete request but
What are the contents of these following templates? I'm wondering if it can help with the Final Fantasy X wikibook.


 * Template:WK FFX
 * Template:SCH FFX
 * Template:SCA FFX
 * Template:SC FFX

2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 19:29, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * In order,
 * Image from Wikipedia
 * Category:Final Fantasy media
 * == Licensing ==
 * Rationale for the fair use of this image in the articles about Final Fantasy X
 * Square Enix has not released any artwork to the public domain
 * The image is used to demonstrate the game's distinctive art style
 * The image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the game
 * The image is a small, web-resolution image. (Less than 1000 pixels on each side, 72 pixels/inch)
 * The image is used to illustrate important locations mentioned in the article which permits to the reader to have an idea of how it looks like.
 * The image's only purpose it to aid in the description of the world of Final Fantasy X, and for no other purpose.
 * The image does not limit Square Enix's ability to sell the game
 * Screen Capture from the anime DVD done by myself ~
 * Category:Final Fantasy media
 * == Licensing ==
 * Rationale for the fair use of this image in the articles about Final Fantasy X
 * Square Enix has not released any artwork to the public domain
 * The image is used to demonstrate the game's distinctive art style
 * The image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the game
 * The image is a small, web-resolution image. (Less than 1000 pixels on each side, 72 pixels/inch)
 * The image is used to illustrate important locations mentioned in the article which permits to the reader to have an idea of how it looks like.
 * The image's only purpose it to aid in the description of the world of Final Fantasy X, and for no other purpose.
 * The image does not limit Square Enix's ability to sell the game
 * Scanned from the book The Art of Final Fantasy X done by myself ~
 * Category:Final Fantasy media
 * == Licensing ==
 * Rationale for the fair use of this image in the articles about Final Fantasy X
 * Square Enix has not released any artwork to the public domain
 * The image is used to demonstrate the game's distinctive art style
 * The image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the game
 * The image is a small, web-resolution image. (Less than 1000 pixels on each side, 72 pixels/inch)
 * The image is used to illustrate important locations mentioned in the article which permits to the reader to have an idea of how it looks like.
 * The image's only purpose it to aid in the description of the world of Final Fantasy X, and for no other purpose.
 * The image does not limit Square Enix's ability to sell the game
 * Screen Capture of the game done by myself ~
 * Category:Final Fantasy media
 * == Licensing ==
 * Rationale for the fair use of this image in the articles about Final Fantasy X
 * Square Enix has not released any artwork to the public domain
 * The image is used to demonstrate the game's distinctive art style
 * The image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the game
 * The image is a small, web-resolution image. (Less than 1000 pixels on each side, 72 pixels/inch)
 * The image is used to illustrate important locations mentioned in the article which permits to the reader to have an idea of how it looks like.
 * The image's only purpose it to aid in the description of the world of Final Fantasy X, and for no other purpose.
 * The image does not limit Square Enix's ability to sell the game
 * P.S: if you foresee asking for more undelete requests and such, I think you should consider requesting temp admin for this purpose (at WB:RFP). While this is not usual, I think you have some grounds here. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:35, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It must have been exhausting to undelete all those pages. I didn't know you can apply for temp admin. What do you mean by me having ground here? How would it work to apply for one? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I use a script to perform these undeletions quickly (otherwise I would have to go to each page individually!) - if you do get admin, I'll give the scripts to you. I haven't heard of anyone applying for temp admin here, but that does not mean that you can't do it. Just follow the instructions at WB:RFP and explain what you're doing here. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rationale for the fair use of this image in the articles about Final Fantasy X
 * Square Enix has not released any artwork to the public domain
 * The image is used to demonstrate the game's distinctive art style
 * The image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the game
 * The image is a small, web-resolution image. (Less than 1000 pixels on each side, 72 pixels/inch)
 * The image is used to illustrate important locations mentioned in the article which permits to the reader to have an idea of how it looks like.
 * The image's only purpose it to aid in the description of the world of Final Fantasy X, and for no other purpose.
 * The image does not limit Square Enix's ability to sell the game
 * P.S: if you foresee asking for more undelete requests and such, I think you should consider requesting temp admin for this purpose (at WB:RFP). While this is not usual, I think you have some grounds here. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:35, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It must have been exhausting to undelete all those pages. I didn't know you can apply for temp admin. What do you mean by me having ground here? How would it work to apply for one? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I use a script to perform these undeletions quickly (otherwise I would have to go to each page individually!) - if you do get admin, I'll give the scripts to you. I haven't heard of anyone applying for temp admin here, but that does not mean that you can't do it. Just follow the instructions at WB:RFP and explain what you're doing here. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I use a script to perform these undeletions quickly (otherwise I would have to go to each page individually!) - if you do get admin, I'll give the scripts to you. I haven't heard of anyone applying for temp admin here, but that does not mean that you can't do it. Just follow the instructions at WB:RFP and explain what you're doing here. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

transwiki-ing from deleted Wikipedia entries
i've been kind of wondering how to go about this. i'll give one example, as this is how to best explain it:

Okay, so on Paper Mario/Bosses page, they list some of the bosses. Goomboss, for instance, had a page on Wikipedia (i think it had content before being a redirect). How do we migrate its content from Wikipedia? Do we contact a staff member and tell them that it's for the Wikibooks project? If the character is in more than one video game, I'd imagine a wikibook on Mario characters and enemies could be made?

Another example: on Wikipedia, there was an article named Cinnabar Island, which is a location in the Pokemon games. Perhaps its info can be migrated over to the wikibook.

There's been instances where this has happened. Illustrated Guide to the world of Spira (FFX and FFX-2)/Culture/Mythology appeared to have transferred some Wikipedia content over before it was removed/redirected (before the page itself was ironically deleted from Wikibooks and then restored 15 years later per the new policy allowing video game guides here now). 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It depends on whether the page currently exists on Wikipedia.
 * If the page currently exists, you can simply request its importation at WB:RFI.
 * If the page currently does not exist, things become a bit trickier. In general, yes, you'll need to file a request at Wikipedia's administrator noticeboard explaining the situation, and once that's restored somewhere on Wikipedia, ask at WB:RFI for its importation as above. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * So I could technically make a wikibook called something like "A guide to Mario characters and enemies" and then ask about the articles on the admin's noticeboard on Wikipedia, telling them that it falls in line with the WP:GUIDE project here? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine; how the en.wikipedia admins will do this isn't something I know though, I would expect them to restore it into your userpage, but they may have other ideas. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually it looks like this is a better place to ask for undeletion. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There's also this category on Wikipedia. I've asked about undeletion of certain pages before, and they've helped out. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Lot of deleted images on the gaming wikibooks
What do we do about them? Afaik they are deleted for being "non-free" images 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:29, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * That's a complicated issue. It prima-facie appears that up until mid-2007, images were literally deleted from the server unlike articles, in which case they are gone. Need to look further into this, maybe the Wayback Machine can help? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah but are these fairuse images allowed to be uploaded, even if we do find them? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:39, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, see WB:MEDIA and Strategy guides. You will need to request the uploader right at WB:RFP to upload fair-use images, but it is allowed pursuant to the above policies. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:41, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * But I already have temporary administrative role pending, so I think I'd have to wait before asking about uploader.
 * Is it recommended to upload images at a lower resolution? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:49, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , nothing stops you from applying for uploader - and it can be made permanent (unlike the admin). As for image resolution, consensus says that it should be preferably below 800x480 pixels, but it's not hard, and you can upload a larger image if you think it is necessary (we're not as hard on this as Wikipedia). Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Categories for specific books?
How would you implement categories for specific books? For example, Pokémon/Pokédex/Pikachu consists of dead link categories. What would be the correct formatfor creating categories pertaining specifically to a certain wikibook (in this case being the Pokémon one). 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 13:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Does Using_Wikibooks/Shelves,_Categories,_and_Classifications help? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:28, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I think so. I implemented these categories in place. is this the correct way of adding them (sub category slashes)?:

Pikachu Pikachu Pikachu Pikachu Pikachu Pikachu 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 13:56, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Looks OK to me as per the guide. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:11, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Disabling Commons UploadWizard
How do I disable it so that I upload to Wikibooks rather than Commons? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 11:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You cannot use the sidebar link. Use Special:Upload. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've been doing that. thank you 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

My uploads
Am I alright in how I uploaded the files? I also changed this license to say that it includes video games, as computer software and video games are two separate (yet similar) things. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Mostly, but you need to supply a brief rationale for every use of that image that explains why it is required and why a free image cannot be obtained, this is required per policy (WB:MEDIA). Special:Upload has the instructions (non-free use rationale being the appropriate template). Here's an example. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll go add that to the images then. Thank you 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay I've added information and non-free use rationale templates to all of my uploads. Thank you for giving me grace as I'm still trying to learn how things work over here. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:51, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Some sockpuppetry?
Hey Leaderboard, hope you're doin' well. I just wanted to ask you whether this would be a sockpuppetry case of user's 喷泉里的大泥鳅, 大花猫与小咸鱼 and 大头娃娃的小心肝. All three of these accounts were created on the same day (22/06/21). The first one 喷泉里的大泥鳅 then started to put spam on their userpage, with 1967 bytes added. Two minutes later at 08:22 UTC, 大花猫与小咸鱼 did the same as well, and 大头娃娃的小心肝 added 1967 bytes worth of spam onto their userpage at 08:23. Does this track with any known LTA's here? Thanks! SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 08:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Not here as far as I'm aware, but they can be duck-blocked. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 10:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What does it mean to be duck-blocked? SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It means that these three accounts can be blocked on the grounds of socking without having to use CheckUser on them because they clearly look like the same user (see wikipedia:WP:DUCK for the context behind duck). Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 10:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I see SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:27, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #2
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Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

The key results were:


 * Newer editors who had automatic ("default on") access to the Reply tool were more likely to post a comment on a talk page.
 * The comments that newer editors made with the Reply Tool were also less likely to be reverted than the comments that newer editors made with page editing.

These results give the Editing team confidence that the tool is helpful.

Looking ahead

The team is planning to make the Reply tool available to everyone as an opt-out preference in the coming months. This has already happened at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.

The next step is to resolve a technical challenge. Then, they will deploy the Reply tool first to the Wikipedias that participated in the study. After that, they will deploy it, in stages, to the other Wikipedias and all WMF-hosted wikis.

You can turn on "" in Beta Features now. After you get the Reply tool, you can change your preferences at any time in Special:Preferences.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 14:12, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Recent events
Look I think we should just put this behind us. No real harm done at the end of the day. But please consider how things can come across to other people, even if you have the best of intentions. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 21:51, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I am not very good in doing this (there is a reason why I have a paragraph), despite my best efforts. That being said, I will not prejudice or penalise you should you consider me negatively. I still do not know if I did the right thing, and I did the wrong thing I sincerely apologise again. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 21:55, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Well even if you did the wrong thing, its nothing major, and things are now sorted out now hopefully. You do a lot of good work here, and I do appreciate it. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 22:21, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I know I shouldn't be intervening, my as an native en speaker, my use of slang has sometimes offended people, to the point where I put a button on my talk page. It's not just you, I've made this mistake so many times as well.


 * We've also blocked users on Wikivoyage for a similar reason as well.


 * p.s. can you create a local userpage? I know the reason behind it, but it would be greatly helpful. SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The difference is that my action was unusual and controversial - I would not expect "slang" to come under that category.
 * As for the userpage request, why? I don't see the benefit, unless I am missing something. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:05, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Because a local userpage is a lot more personalised to Wikibooks. Even I having about 160 edits here, have my own userpage here (and about 50 edits on fr.voy, also have my own userpage there). Although I might sound hypocritical here, since I don't have a local userpage on na.wikt. SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 00:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't get the personalisation aspect - the information I would put isn't much different anyway. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 06:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * very true SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 00:27, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * But thinking about it, this is what comes in my mind. While my meta page is just about me in general (such as who am I, and which wikis I do things in, and my user rights in certain wikis (such as reviewer here, patroller on Wikivoyage and admin on wiktionary). And your section on your page, would make plenty of sense here, but wouldn't in some other wiki like mw, or whatever.
 * On a local userpage, you could also write about the books you write (in your case, about coding and stuff), but you wouldn't really write things on what types of books you edit on, would you? And the 10 min section would make sense here as previously mentioned. SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 07:17, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's User:QuiteUnusual's en.wikibooks and meta userpage. The only major difference I see between the two is that the former has a table on the pages that he has contributed to. I don't have a plan to do that, so what I see is a case of having effectively duplicated content across userpages, which is the major motivation for a global user page.
 * The 10 minute section should stay as it is, because a controversial, if not wrong, action should be known globally. After all, Wikimedia is global, and I can see the need for people to have an informed choice when deciding whether to support a global application of mine (the last two of which I failed). Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 07:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * maybe it's just my userpages that are so different ;). (en.wp, en.wb, meta, en.voy, fr.voy, na.wp and commons and probably some other wiki I missed.) SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 08:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * My user pages are only different because there wasn't such a thing as a "global user page" when I started editing 15 years ago. Also, as a Steward, it's important to have a relevant user page on Meta, but such a page would make little sense on other projects. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 08:18, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A little offtopic, but Wikivoyage says I've got about 400 edits to my userpage which is twice as much edits to this entire wiki I've made ;) SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 02:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Restoring Super Smash Bros. -- am I doing it right?
As per what I said on my RfP page, I restored the Super Smash Bros. guide. Just wondering if you think it's been done correctly. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:12, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Looks fine to me. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

File:Pika stand.jpg
Apparently I was able to restore an old video game screenshot. I added information & free use rationale to it 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Video game sprite license?
Okay, so on Super Mario World/Blocks there are video game sprites from within the game Super Mario World. However there isn't an applicable license for it, so the closest I had was the non-free software screenshot license. Could we make a license for computer and video game sprites to distinguish from video game screenshots? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * They look like icons to me. I think this could come either in the screenshot or icon category - don't think it's needed to have yet another for sprites. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * More specifically, they are video game sprites that can be used like icons 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you could put this in the icon category then - either is fine in this case. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Permission for importing Super Mario Sunshine from StrategyWiki
Do I have your permission to import the other subpages of the Super Mario Sunshine guide from StrategyWiki on to Wikibooks? I remember requesting import for the base page a couple of weeks ago on Request for imports, but the sub-pages have not yet been added. If I am allowed, do I import from "upload XML data" and insert strategywiki as the interwiki prefix? I want to be careful to not overuse my temporary administrative permissions, so this is why I ask first 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This is fine. Indeed, you upload from XML data and insert strategywiki as the interwiki prefix. However, you should read WB:Importer carefully, especially the section on "upload import cautions". Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Appreciated, it's good that I asked first because I needed to be sure I wasn't violating anything. Now I know to be extremely careful with "assign edits to local users," which I wasn't planning to check but it's good to have this assurance to be very careful. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 16:06, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Importing over an existing page?
Is it allowed to import over an existing article? For example, StrategyWiki has a much more complete version of the Mario Kart DS/Characters page. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * That's fine - you can delete the existing article in that case. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, as for scripts, I prefer doing things manually in case there are 1-2 more things to fix along the way (even if it means extra work for me). 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:35, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Up to you. I just made a suggestion. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:36, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Copying from wikipedia
What if there's some game guide content that's been removed from Wikipedia. Can it be incorporated into Wikibooks somehow? I'll give an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donkey_Kong_Country_2:_Diddy%27s_Kong_Quest&oldid=33258725 (worlds and changes sections). If so, then how do I attribute? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 16:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You can import that page from Wikipedia (that is, "Import from another wiki"). Once that's done, you can restore to the revision you linked. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:13, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Importing pages from other Fandom wikis?
Is this allowed? I assume it is, considering the compatible CC-BY-SA 3.0 license. If allowed, what would i name the prefix? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 00:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Indeed it is. The prefix is up to you - something like the name of the fandom wiki would do. It's not that important. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 07:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Licenses question
Should the description "Screenshot includes software interface" be changed to "Screenshot of computer or video game software"? This makes it more descriptive 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 14:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Looks fine to me, go ahead. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 14:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Template:WikipediaCredit
Is this allowed to be used for when directly copying some stuff from wikipedia (e.g. a deleted article in Wayback Machine or an old XML dump?) 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:27, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I have never used the template, but think it is OK. However, you need to also cite the exact source (say in your edit summary) if you're not using the import tool. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Would it not be required if i, let's say, used the Wikipedia content as a base and entirely rewrote it? It would likely be better this way.
 * For example, this is a passage from the deleted Wikipedia article Mario series enemies.
 * But if I rewrote it in my own words, would attribution still be required. Example:
 * 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:40, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Since you're deriving your words from the Wikipedia article, I think it's a good idea to mention that in the summary. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So the summary would be like: "Taken from the deleted 'Mario series enemies' Wikipedia article but rewrote/expanded into my own words" ? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Just giving the location would be enough. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Even if the summary is "Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_series_enemies (deleted article)" ? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 16:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Would be OK - you can also give the web.archive equivalent. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, hope you don't mind I went on a bit about this, as I'm just trying to understand how a couple of things work. Wikipedia deleted a lot of their gaming coverage over the years (even if it's understandable), but it could be relocated elsewhere, such as here or a wiki dedicated to the franchise. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 16:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case one option would be to ask for the articles to be restored and then use Special:Import. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually have a similar question about this if you don't mind. While working on the History of video games book I was writing a list of major games for each console, and often referenced Wikipedia for the start dates. History of video games/Platforms/Vectrex is an example of my earlier style where I would simply write the list then use this template and comment to indicate my source . Later entries I use a ref tag specifically to Wikipedia. I've been going back and adding the refs since I think this makes it clearer to the reader where that info came from, but just in case I wanted to know if I needed to do anything more. Thanks! --Mbrickn (discuss • contribs) 20:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You're fine. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 20:46, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Just wanted to check. --Mbrickn (discuss • contribs) 20:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Just wanted to check. --Mbrickn (discuss • contribs) 20:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Bot request
Mind running a bot to replace  with  ? This will probably be the only time I'd have a need for a bot, so rather than go through hassle of setting one up, I decided to ask you, if this is ok. Thank you 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Replacing  by   would also be useful. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 18:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Might do it tomorrow, AWB does not want to work for some reason. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A lot of those Pokémon (Wikibooks Pokédex more specifically) categories still show up in Special:WantedPages. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 16:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I haven't processed it yet - need to find the time to do this. Hang on. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 16:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * They (or at least the four at the very top) appear to be only linked from one page now, so this is just because the report is only updated every couple days. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:08, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I see you have fixed these using your bot account, thanks. Could you please also replace  by   in the "series" templates at Category:Book:Pokémon/Templates? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:17, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Should be ✅. P.S: any user can now request pseudobot flag at WB:RFP. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 11:27, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Template:Pokeinfobox
I made this template for the Pokémon wikibook (or, well, took from wikipedia [it was a retired template preserved there for historical purposes], attributed in edit summary, and made alterations accordingly). Do you know why the infobox will not align at the very top of the page? For example: Pokémon/Pokédex/Mankey. I can't figure out the issue. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * So you want the infobox to be above everything else (including the "Basic Statistics" header)? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, something like that, but perhaps the header can be to the left of the infobox (but slightly below) the top of it so there isn't all that empty space. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 19:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I notice that you've done some changes - is there still something for me to look at? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 08:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe I have it the way you wanted it. Care to take a look? —  ⚞ ℛogueScholar 🐈 ₨🗩 ⚟   $My recent mischief$  07:19, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is it. Thank you! 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting certain talk pages
Are you ok with me deleting a few talk pages with no associated content page (or just having spam on it or blank page)? There's some of them, and I thought to get them because there were two Zelda Wind Waker talk pages without an associated page (the guide itself wasn't restored because it was copied from GameFAQs). 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 22:06, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * OK Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 08:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

off-topic question
i know this is a random question but do you play video games by any chance? just curious 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 21:34, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * No. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 06:30, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah I thought the "Leaderboard" of your name referenced the hi-scores list shown in several arcade games. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:38, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

book titles
Is there a rule on what book titles should be called (I definitely expect 'keep relevant to subject' as being one of them). I ask because I want to make a wikibook called "A Tourist's Guide to the World of Pokemon", but that might look like a bit of a long title (and since Pokemon is fiction, the "tourist's guide" is just to have a 'fancy' title). 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 13:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Not that I know of other than the links at Naming_policy. The title is up to you, but personally, I'm not sure what "a tourist's guide" is supposed to mean. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Just means "check out the various locations in the world of Pokemon". In the games, the main and controllable character represents the person playing the game, so it means like "a guide to these locations". 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 13:43, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Given the fact that most books are curated by a few authors, the title is up to you (I just raised a question from a non-gamer point of view). Go ahead I'd say - after all, the title isn't fixed. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:45, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

note about me importing wikipedia articles
When I import articles, it usually is redirected or deleted ones (although the Goomba one on Mario franchise strategy guide is a current article on Wikipedia, but i restored an earlier version to match the rest of the guide's style). I just made a Zelda wikibook for some of the redirected Zelda articles, and I think i plan to do the same for monsters appearing in the RPG series, Final Fantasy. Hope this helps 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:26, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

problems importing Monsters of Final Fantasy
it's a redirected wikipedia article. Apparently its history is like 35MB in size (xml), and i'm having issues importing it here. Is there a way to solve this? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * In that case, deselect the option to include all revisions (when exporting) and try again. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose i could also copy over latest revision and link to the page history? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:50, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's what "Include only the current revision, not the full history" does. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait looks like i got it to work after retrying it a few times (perhaps it's cached temporarily as it processes?) 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not unexpected - I think it uploads to the extent it can each time you try before getting killed by the server timeout. But that's not always feasible, hence the non-preferred alternative of importing the latest revision if nothing else works. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Block Sourish-001 from editing my userpage
Hey there, just asking whether you could block this user from editing User:SHB2000? It seems to be his target for vandalism, but he has good contributions elsewhere. Thanks! SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 05:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll wait and see if this is repeated first. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 06:14, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I really think this user should be banned from editing other people's userpages. (if topic bans are a thing here. with just no block) SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 13:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You messaged the OP to stop, and I have not seen them repeat. If they do, we'll think about it then. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * very true. SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 13:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Apologies for all the broken file links
I just came here to apologize for all the broken file links from import/transwiking articles. It may take a while for me to get around to fixing all those links. If you'd like I could keep some of the pages in transwiki unless the file links have been fixed. I do make sure to bookify each & every page at least. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, does images apply to pages with broken file links? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:24, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * e.g. The_Legend_of_Zelda/Underworld/Quest_1/Dungeon_3 has broken file links, so i added an image tag to it. In the case of The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, i added a notice that images are missing because it's been transwikied recently. Which would you prefer? I'm guessing that it's less tedious if noted on base wikibook page & perhaps added to a category. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:26, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It would depend on your preference. Either is OK in practice. You do not have to "rush" in the process. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 08:22, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Restoring Mario Adventure
Would it be ok to restore this guide? The reason I ask is because it's a guide on a ROM hack of Super Mario Bros. 3, so therefore that makes it a fan game. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 11:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I would say yes, as long as it meets the other requirements and there isn't something that I am missing. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 11:14, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ironically, looks like StrategyWiki deleted their article very recently (June 24, 2021) for being "out of scope", so I'm recovering some of their text for implementation in the Wikibooks guide. I attribute the source in edit summary. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 11:47, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Talk page discussions of deleted guides
Are these allowed to be restored as well? Sometimes it can provide context. For example, on Talk:Mario Adventure, the article's creator said that he wrote the original FAQ. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 12:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Indeed, you can restore them. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Custom sprite
Ok, so I uploaded a sprite at File:SM63 SignProof.png, which is custom-made, so I didn't add the non-free use rationale, although images like File:Super Mario 63 logo.png (while made by fans) do use the non-free use template because it uses copyrighted assets that belong to Nintendo. Would you say I did this right? 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 01:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * If an image does not need a non-free use rationale, then it should be free and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. But if it's non-free, you do need the rationale - no exceptions. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 06:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, I always add a rationale to non-free images 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 11:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Keeping game guides in the long run
This is not a question related to StrategyWiki, but do you think the video game-related articles will be kept here in the long run? The reason I ask is because it's already been two weeks of very hard work in restoring/improving the video game guides to compensate for the 14-15 years in which game guides were not allowed on Wikibooks (which is for any subject in general though). 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 13:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I personally don't see why not given the overwhelming consensus that lifted the 15-years block, and the fact that the block itself was dubious. What would happen in a few years' time is all on the community for the most part. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah same. I don't see why they've disallowed video game guides for such a long time but then allowed virtually any other subject. I'm thinking it's because many users transwikied their guides, especially to StrategyWiki. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 13:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "I'm thinking it's because many users transwikied their guides" - I doubt it. At least from the ones I've seen, it was "forced" in that a transwiki template was placed after the video games ban was implemented. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 13:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I do think it's strange that they've banned the guides for so long, like an entire group of users tried to enact the ban. Not all guides were moved over, such as Pokemon, and sometimes they would be transwikied to a defunct wiki (e.g. WikiDream or WikiKnowledge), which have been defunct since over a decade ago themselves. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 13:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * When you said "dubious," what exactly did you mean by that? In that the community at the time seemingly created an external website (StrategyWiki) to try and have more control over the coverage of video game content online? I actually did see a comment on a talk page here (I forget which one) where a user (from 2006) said that they were unsatisfied with the ban on video game content on Wikibooks. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 14:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you seen the discussion part of the proposal? In that Mrjulesd gives an overview on how the ban happened, which bizarrely was due to Jimbo Wales, the founder of Wikipedia - "...it appears that it was the decision of Jimbo Wales himself...". I would think that StrategyWiki was a direct consequence of that, but Prod refutes that in his talk page. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 14:28, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I wonder how Jimmy Wales feels now that game guides are allowed once more. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 14:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think he would care - when I asked him to comment on the video games ban, he said "At the time, the concept for Wikibooks was largely framed in terms of "textbooks" and so there was a view that unless an actual course is taught somewhere on the subject, it wouldn't be appropriate for Wikibooks. I believe it is up to the Wikibooks community to decide the issue in a manner consistent with the broad goals of the project, and of the Wikimedia movement more generally." (as noted in the strategy guides discussion page). That made me think that he does not want to get involved like that today. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 14:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Allowing video game guides again has been a great move because it attracts a wider demographic of editors. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 14:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You can see the historical discussion on Talk:MapleStory Prod (discuss • contribs) 15:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OR you could join the established community and HELP us over THERE. Why join this effort 15 years too late only to struggle to capture the amount of content and experience writing guides that we have.  This move doesn't benefit anyone, it hurts both of us.  ProcyonSW (discuss • contribs) 15:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

manual text
I was wondering if those were allowed, seeing as instruction booklets come free with a game. I didn't copy paste directly, but some of the imports still appear to have them. SuperHamster mentioned Super Mario Bros. 2's story page, so I deleted that. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 19:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * It depends on what the copyright of the instruction booklets are. They are normally copyright otherwise explicitly mentioned, and hence they can only be uploaded as non-free documents, if at all. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:29, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

non-free images
I had a feeling that this might become an issue, but I'm not quite sure what to do about images anymore. When I add them, I give a rationale that says "this is what they look like" or "this shows a certain action being performed in-game." For artworks and boxart I already try and add lower quality variations (kind of like how Wikipedia has a bot that reduces file size). I suppose the images can go, but I'm thinking that with character-specific ones, it would be a choice between in-game or an illustration that an artist made for the game since they would technically have the same rationale. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 19:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * To me, your uploads look fine. The question is whether the community thinks the same way. The problem is that since I have no background in video games, I cannot tell myself whether the concerns raised are valid or not. My understanding is that images are important in video games, and that was tha rationale behind overhauling the non-free policy. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 19:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, video games are visual as music is to audio, though the former to a lesser extent than the latter. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 22:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

username removed?
I'm confused what happened there 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The user accidentally edited without logging in, exposing their IP address in the process. It's similar to revision deletion with the editor's username, but stronger in that even us admins cannot see it and only a very select group of users called as oversighters can do this. Since Wikibooks doesn't have oversighters of its own, a steward did it instead. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ohh ok. No worries, I didn't need to know specifics -- it was just in case someone said something about me that I missed. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 18:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

kept it minimal
I took responsibility to remove an extra image that isn't required to illustrate the subject (since the depiction of Link obtaining a Triforce piece is nearly the same in every dungeon, so I'd prob only show it for the first dungeon). 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 14:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Pinyin/Food contains the nutrients needed
Hello. It seems like you missed the above page when closing the RFD. --Minorax (discuss • contribs) 12:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅. Feel free to delete pages and do anything that a normal admin would do at this time, pending QU's response to your admin nomination. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:03, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I can't delete the page as I tagged it for deletion. --Minorax (discuss • contribs) 12:04, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * But it was confirmed that the page was to be deleted, which sounds fine to me. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Spelling conventions
Does Wikibooks have any policy on that? Such as use British English for Western Europe, American English for Eastern Europe, Canadian English or Canads etc.? SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 02:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I can't recall there being one - generally it's up to the discretion of the authors (and the context if applicable). It's useful to keep the style consistent however. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry to interject on this user page, I was kind of curious so I looked it up. Using Wikibooks/How To Structure A Wikibook suggests that this is decided on the start of the book writing process, and that it be kept consistent from there on. The book only suggests British or American english, but that book is an instructional guide, so I think that's more due to convenience in writing than policy. Furthermore as I wrote this, I recalled a recent conversation in which I mentioned that Help:Editnotices are often used when book editors want to affirm a specific English. This system is most notably used in the featured book Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter. As a result anytime a user edits a page in that book, they are reminded to use the British spellings. The same could be done for any other regional variant. --Mbrickn (discuss • contribs) 07:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, it's mainly the 6 or 7 english variants really used (GB, US, CA, AU, NZ, SA and maybe MY) so not a huge problem. SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 07:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Someone is adding a ton of nonsense pages to the Cookbook wikibook
I came here to ask you about it because I still want to be careful with how I use my temporary admin privileges. In the deletion log, I only deleted things that obviously had to be deleted, but have left some up for the other administrators to delete. 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 15:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * That's OK. I've blocked that users and deleted all of what that one created. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Question about abuse filters and Wikimania
Hi @Leaderboard –  the work you've done on abuse filters stood out to me as being valuable to a larger conversation Foundation Staff in the Product Department are having about how our editing software can be evolved to help newcomers make contributions that fit Wikipedia's policies. Specifically, this idea of offering people feedback in real-time when they are at risk of making a change that could defy conventions.

Related to the above, we wonder: would you be interested in participating in a 45-minute discussion at the upcoming Virtual Wikimania Conference with staff and other volunteer tool builders about how our editing software can evolve to more effectively help newcomers make contributions that fit Wikipedia's policies?

Below, are two other things:


 * 1) Details about what you would be asked to do should you decide to participate
 * 2) The objectives of the session

If anything here raises questions for you, please let me know ^ _ ^

PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 22:25, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Session objectives
 * Generate ideas for how new software tools could help newcomers understand what is expected of them when they edit Wikipedia.
 * Identify ways in which existing software can be improved to encourage more tool/gadget development.
 * Participating
 * If you decided to participate, we would ask you to:
 * Create one presentation slide about the experiences you've had building abuse filters
 * Demo some abuse filter work you've done during the session (if possible)
 * Attend one practice session
 * PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 22:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, the proposal appears to be Wikipedia-centered (of which I have never written a filter) - not sure if that's OK with you. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:17, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "the proposal appears to be Wikipedia-centered (of which I have never written a filter) - not sure if that's OK with you."
 * hi @Leaderboard – not having written a filter for Wikipedia before is okay with us (I appreciate you asking to be sure)! The reason we are okay with this is because we think abuse filters, across projects, are fundamentally related in so far as they: 1) are all written for MediaWiki software and 2) are all intended to prevent people from making changes to projects that defy their consented upon policies. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 15:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It does sound interesting, what would I need to do next? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:28, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! We're excited about the prospect of you participating. Next can you please do the following?
 * 1) Share with me what times you will NOT be available between the 13th of August through the 17th of August. Please include the timezone you are located in. This will help with scheduling the session.
 * 2) Start thinking about what you will present for five minutes during the session to help the audience understand the work you've done on abuse filters at en.wikibooks and what you've learned through this process. I will share a slide template next week.
 * Of course, please let me know if any other questions come up before you hear from me next! PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 17:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm in UTC +3, so since you appear to be in the US, evening my time appears to be the only time that would be suitable for both of us, which is OK. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * UTC+3...noted – this information is helpful, thank you @Leaderboard. You can expect to hear from me about the timing of our session next week. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 00:35, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * hi @Leaderboard – we received notice that our session is scheduled for Saturday, 14 August from 17:45 to 18:30 UTC...are you able to confirm whether this time works for you or not by the end of the day (your time) this Wednesday, 4 August? PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks OK to me. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Before the end of day Friday (PT), you can expect a message from here sharing more information about the session as well as a proposed time for us to practice before next Saturday. If anything comes up before then, please just let me know :) PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 17:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright, @Leaderboard, it's Friday and I have some more information about the session for you!
 * This Google slide presentation contains a template for the slides you will present during the session. Can you please fill in slides 6 through 10 (three of slides are simply for screenshots) before Wednesday, 11 August? This way we have a couple of days to refine anything before the session, should we need.
 * Of course, if any questions come up whatsoever, please ping @MMiller (WMF) or myself...we'd be happy to talk more on-wiki or set up some time to talk via audio and/or video. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 18:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've filled up that template - is that OK? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Leaderboard. I've added a couple of comments to slide 6 and slide 10 – can you please let me know if anything I've written is not clear?
 * Also: are you available to talk for ~20 minutes at 16:00 UTC on Saturday 14 August? We are thinking it would be valuable to do a quick walkthrough before the session to make sure we are all comfortable with the software we will be using to host the session and present. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 22:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * OK. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Great and thank you for reviewing the comments I posted to the template. There was one comment remaining...are you able to have a look at that?
 * Also: we are now thinking it would be good to have the practice session during the week (as opposed to on Saturday as I suggested in the previous message I sent) so that we can make revisions to the session format, should we need to, without feeling rushed.
 * With the above in mind: are you available for to have a call for 20 minutes this Wednesday or Thursday? If so, can you share during what times of the day you would be available? PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 21:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * hi @Leaderboard – I'm checking back to ask: are you available for 20 minutes tomorrow (Thursday) or Friday to practice the presentation? If so, can you please share the time(s) when you would be available? PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 05:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * So I forgot to look at your previous message. Sure, Thursday is OK (but when?). Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * hi @Leaderboard – are you available talk today at 22:30 UTC +3? If that time does not work, would talking tomorrow (Friday) at 20:00 UTC +3 work for you? PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 18:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I was actually preparing to sleep - is it possible to be 15 - 25 minutes earlier (so 10:05 - 15 PM)? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Definitely! Let's talk in ~10 minutes, at 22:10 UTC +3. Please use this link to join the Google Meet: meet.google.com/xoc-gxqo-ydu. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 18:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * hi @Leaderboard – our pre-session practice will take place place from 20:15 to 20:35 UTC +3 this Saturday. I've sent you a link via email that will allow you to join the practice session. Please let me know if you have any questions. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 05:27, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Done, is that OK? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Leaderboard: the screenshots you added look great – thank you! I just wanted to confirm: did you receive the link to join tomorrow's practice session? PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 16:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 16:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 16:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

hi @Leaderboard: Linked below are the questions we might ask you and the other presenters during tomorrow's session. We're sharing these questions with you so you know what kind of conversation we might have tomorrow. Potential questions for “Editing the Wiki Way: Software and the Future of Editing”. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 22:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Linked below is the final version of the slide deck; it includes the latest screenshots you shared. Please let me know if anything looks unexpected to you!
 * Wikimania (2021): Editing the Wiki Way. PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 04:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Do take a look at my query in slide 35 when you can. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 05:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ :) PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 17:07, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikimania 2021
hi Leaderboard – I want to thank you for the work and thought you put into preparing for and presenting during Editing the Wiki Way: Software and the Future of Editing session. Since the session, Foundation Staff and volunteers have expressed to us how inspired they were by seeing how we – volunteers from different projects and staff – came together to discuss howe might address a challenge together.

I also want to say: I think it was quite brave of you to share the work you've done with a wide audience. So, kudos to you ^ _^ PPelberg (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 21:39, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Wikibooks template
Is it ok to add a Wikibooks template on Wikipedia articles (assuming it is)? For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Final_Fantasy_VI&diff=prev&oldid=1039662194 2005-Fan (discuss • contribs) 00:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * That template is fine. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 04:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Pipe-separator
Hello, the  before the pipe character creates a double spacing on pages like Special:Contributions. Could you please delete the page per T210851? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:58, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:01, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 18:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * UPD: Looking at translatewiki:mediawiki:pipe-separator, it seems that the default is one regular space before and one after the pipe character. The former one missing seems to be what's breaking Special:Gadgets right now. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:08, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * (as well as more stuff on Special:Contributions: "newest| oldest"; "(20| 50| 100| 250| 500)". The reason why the double spacing after the diff link occurred appears to have been that a regular space is hard-coded before the MW message between "diff" and "hist" (but not between most other similarly separated entries), together with the fact that an nbsp is always rendered, even after a regular space, while a regular double space is automatically fixed in the HTML.) 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:14, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What exactly should I change? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:01, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The nbsp should have been replaced by a regular space, not removed, so you should prepend a space now. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 17:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You mean at MediaWiki:Pipe-separator? I don't see a nbsp there. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's the one you had removed after my request. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 17:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that's done - is that what you were looking for? Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:05, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yup, thanks. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 17:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)