User talk:Laleena/Archive 3

Newsletter
What are your ideas about a newsletter? I would love to help get this kind of thing going. Do you have an email address where you can be contacted, or are there other ways to get in touch with you (AIM, IRC, etc)?

I would love to chat about this, let me know. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 20:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Pilingual Primer
Could you please explain your point of view why the Pilingual Primer should be deleted in contrast to Klingon, Quenya and other constructed languages? The language is, for instance, used for Parenting awards in the Mentoring Handbook. --Fasten (talk) 17:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of the content is just plain nonsense ("conspiracy to take over the world"). I realize very well you are a competent user with well-meaning intention, but you need to get rid of the nonsense. Laleena (talk) 01:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no conspiracy to take over the world in this book. --Fasten (talk) 06:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Help a little bit?
I can help, what do you need? Tell me what you want done and I can try to do it.

We had a newsletter at one point, at Wikibooks Gazette. People lost interest and so it was abandoned. That may be a good starting point for you, at the very least to see what we had, and possibly pick up where others left off. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 02:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I like that idea. Monthly delivery is a good thing, a schedule will help to keep people motivated. Are we going to "deliver" it using some sort of bot, or are we going to simply use a template, and post changes to the template every month? How would we pick who the editors are? Have you taken a look at Wikibooks Gazette? I think that would be a good starting point, and we can modify what we want from there. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 01:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Good, I like it. I certainly would be willing to be an editor. We don't exactly have "departments" around here (not yet anyway), but I'll post out an announcement. This is going to be a small operation, at least at first, so we are going to have to find some stories ourselves. I would like to set this up at Wikibooks Gazette, so we can delete all the old stuff that we don't want, and set up the new structure, templates, whatever. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 01:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've set up a basic news template: . feel free to edit/update it as you see fit. The template currently has enough space to hold 9 news stories each issue. Of course, we could expand that if we needed to. I've also cleared out the page at Wikibooks gazette, and set up a basic page for us. We can put stories at "Wikibooks:Wikibooks gazette/YEAR/MONTH/STORY NAME", or something similar to that. Take a look, let me know what you think. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 14:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

new user log
To answer your question to WK, the new user log is located here. Have a good day. Mattb112885 (talk to me) 22:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:New Users Log
The new users log is HERE. I can write up stats for the newsletter, what kinds of stats are you talking about? I'll throw a few together. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 23:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Laleena/Workshop
I wanted to ask you a quick question about why you are keeping a copy of a deleted book here in your userspace? The community voted to delete this book, so you can't keep a copy in your user pages for too long. If you want to keep the book, you will need to find a place off-Wikibooks to keep it. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 15:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Classification discussion
Hi Laleena, I got your reference on the Card Catalog Office. Maybe you can help. What would be the right discussion page for questions on classification. I try to catagorize some uncategorized categories :-) and I have some questions. For example there is a category Car and a Category Automobile, where do I link "Car washing techniques"? Regards -- Jacques (talk) (email) 05:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Algebra 2
Thanks for helping, and anymore help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Portlandiaman (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Featured books/Nominations
My comment that Quenya should be nominated for deletion was intended for you, not Girdi. You said that "the content itself does not belong on Wikibooks per Pilingual Primer and its demise and eventual deletion". I'm not sure how that deletion would be a precedent here. Nevertheless, if you think something doesn't belong on Wikibooks, then it should be nominated for deletion - not nominated for de-featuring. – Mike.lifeguard  &#124; talk 15:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, maybe this post on my talk page was intented to Mike not to myself? Otherwise I do not know what comment you are refering to. I posted a question just the section before this one. Regards -- Jacques (talk) (email) 03:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Remote Talk Gadget
I see that you are trying out my remote talk gadget. It's still in development, so any comments/suggestions you have about it would be great. I'm trying hard to make it easier to install too, so if you have any suggestions about that I would love to hear them. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 22:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia
Nope. I'm not really familiar with the Wikipedia community. --cuckooman4 (t/c) 21:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Stats
I have some general stats ready, how do you want me to write them up? Where do you want me to put them? --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 02:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll start posting the stats to the gazette, and I'll look at your javascript code to make sure it is all set-up right. Out of curiosity, which browser are you using? There are some issues that I know about in Safari, but everything else should work alright. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 00:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Posted the stats: Wikibooks gazette/2008/01/Statistics. I'll look at your script now. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 01:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I looked at your gadget, fixed a few errors and rearranged it a little bit. Clear your browser cache (press ctrl + F5 in IE or FireFox) and look at it again. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 01:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

WB:AN
The best place to report users that need to be blocked is at the administrator's noticeboard page. most, if not all of the admins have that page on their watchlist, and requests there will often be handled very quickly. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 15:22, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Another minor point: When you warn users, please use so your signature appears in the template. This makes it easier to tell who left what warnings and when - sometimes warnings are mistakes, or are from very long ago. Without the signature, it's tough to tell whether the warning is reliable when deciding whether to block or not. To make things easier, you can enable the Welcome User gadget (or whatever it's called) to automagically warn/welcome users. This option is on the Gadgets tab in Special:Preferences.  – Mike.lifeguard  &#124; talk 21:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's no problem, not everybody realizes what the administrative assistance page is all about. I just want to make sure that when you have a request that it gets acted on as quickly as possible. Thanks for finding and alerting people about vandalism, by the way. It's a big help. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 22:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Volcanos now in VfD - I think you have a point, regards -- Herby talk thyme 09:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Warnings
Hi - I noticed a couple of warnings you placed. I think I am right in saying that most templates should be "subst"'d so you would want for example. Equally they should be signed so that someone knows who to contact if they wish to do so (newbies may well not understand "history" and the like - regards -- Herby talk thyme 13:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Apologies - didn't realise I was so far behind folks. The trouble is that with the "+" you tend not to look at what else is on a talk page.  Also - bear in mind whoever we are we are just users the same as the rest - we just deal with some of the harder garbage!  regards -- Herby  talk thyme 17:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting the attention of the 3 of us means you're doing good things, otherwise we wouldn't have noticed. :) – Mike.lifeguard  &#124; talk 17:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

For images with no license info, please tag the image with then notify the user with the template code provided (tag all of a user's images with no info, but only one warning is usually needed, since there's a link to a tool to show all their problem images). As well, if you want to help me test a (rather buggy) script I'm working on, please ask me about it - it automagically tags things like this and notifies the user when appropriate. – Mike.lifeguard  &#124; talk 02:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

WB:BB
I re-worded your notice there. It's actually not anyone's job to do anything here unless they choose to do it. As well, deletion is probably not an option for many of those modules as they've likely been tagged as such after a VFD was closed as "no consensus to delete, but there are NPOV problems." Great to see you still involved in cleanup though - keep it up! – Mike.lifeguard  &#124; talk 01:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

IP block
Hi - I noticed that yesterday. In practice we both warned them about the same edit so there are not really "two" warnings. Had they done anything else at the time I would have blocked them (& will do so if they return). Bear in mind that blocking is to prevent disruption and as they are not currently editing that is not necessary. Thanks for spotting it - regards -- Herby talk thyme 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Err
I didn't "warn" Malcolmsb21 as I indefinitely blocked him! Vandalism only account. Thanks -- Herby talk thyme 13:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ip warning
Hi Laleena! I made a couple of changes to your new template. They should make it easier to do what you intended the template to do, I believe:

How's that? And by all means, feel free to change it back if you had other ideas in mind. Νεοπτόλεμος 02:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I also gave this a facelift. It now uses parserfunctions to return the most appropriate message. – Mike.lifeguard  &#124; talk 18:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Non-latin usernames
Those who had user names that were approximately related to latin characters (such as Ł,Đ,α, and others) didn't seem to be that big of a deal. I think it was Arabic, Chinese, Thai, and other characters that were really off the reservation in terms of similarity to latin characters that really got a few admins into a tizzy for a little bit. The rationale for removing these accounts (they had the user accounts blocked and the user pages/talk pages deleted) was the fear that non-latin characters would contain potentially offensive words (something IMHO that could be dealt with through other means than blocking all non-latin accounts) and the potential for abuse by vandals, such as the Willy on Wheels accounts. Some users very legitimately insisted on keeping the non-latin usernames because they started on Wikipedia projects that were decidedly not using latin alphabets (such as the Japanese Wikipedia) and wanted to keep common account names across all Wikimedia accounts.

I pray that such attitudes never come to Wikibooks, and I will fight vigerously against any user/admin who tries to institute such a policy here. I also fought against such a policy on en.wikipedia as well when it was a hot topic, and strongly voiced my opinion there. But unfortunately I didn't have admin rights there to undo the actions (almost petitioned to become an admin there for that reason alone, however). --Rob Horning (talk) 20:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

There's really no need to pile on many of these templates. The links in it will find all affected images for the user, so we don't need to fill up their whole talk page with warnings. On the other hand, we often will repeat a warning if the user is ignoring it and many images are slated for deletion. Not a big problem, but having a ton of big red template messages is a bit much for people to deal with, and isn't strictly necessary. Thanks! – Mike.lifeguard  &#124; talk 22:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikijunior
It'd be great to have your help on some of the wikijunior books. I think that the languages book looks pretty good but could use some refinement and work on continuity between chapters. That might be a satisfying place to start. The ancient civilizations book seems to have a good head start on it as well. I'm interested in working on any of the books that could be used for school work. Do you want to just pick one or two books and work on them until they're as good as we can get them and then move on to some of the others? What ones interest you in particular? I'm not picky.

By the way, thanks for your interest. I'm a homeschooling mom and hope to teach orphans in the developing world at some point so I know that these books would be a really valuable resource with a little more work. Rmawhorter (talk) 02:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Closing VfD
Can't spot the policy for now but certainly practice is that a VfD should rarely be closed in under 7 days (frequently longer) to allow the community time to evaluate the book properly. It may be best if you revert your closure please - thanks -- Herby talk thyme 08:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Pardon me for chipping in, but: Deletion policy = After one week, if the voters have mostly reached a consensus about what to do, the appropriate action will be taken by an administrator. Webaware talk 08:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've re-opened it. It's easy to get impatient, especially when consensus is clear; I do too (in fact I closed on early today & had to re-open it). – Mike.lifeguard  &#124; talk 17:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikijunior Languages
I noticed that you had upgraded Arabic to publishable status but I'm not sure if you noticed that it's still lacking a few things. First, which would have be easily missable, it doesn't include a section for famous authors or poets. The unknown author of Aladdin might be an obvious edition. Also, the section with the poem to learn doesn't have an English translation. What are your thoughts? Rose (talk) 23:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of adding some to a famous people section but I was at a bit of a loss as to how to find a poem or song to be translated since translations are all copyright protected and not something that I can create. Thoughts? Rose (talk) 01:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikijunior:Big Book of Fun Science Experiments/How A Bath Fizzer Works, and How To Make One

 * I suppose that wasn't really needed. One downside of scripted patrolling. – <font color="Indigo">Mike.lifeguard  &#124; <font color="Indigo">talk 17:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Rollbacker
You've been nominated; please accept if you want the bit. If you're interested in doing new page patrol, I encourage you to do a few days' worth without the bit so you'll have the current patrollers looking at your work, and we can get a sense of your work there. – <font color="Indigo">Mike.lifeguard  &#124; <font color="Indigo">talk 15:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you noticed Herby's comment. I think it's valid. I would still like you to have rollback, but perhaps mentor you for a bit in how it's to be used. I'm going to wait and let another admin grant the right instead of me and/or wait for more comments. I'm going to fix up Dealing with vandalism; I suggest you read it once I'm done. – <font color="Indigo">Mike.lifeguard  &#124; <font color="Indigo">talk 16:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So it turns out I did an overhaul on Dealing with vandalism and Wikibooks:Rollback. I think the pictures on WB:ROLL should be especially helpful for understanding how it works. As well, WB:DWV and WB:DWV should be helpful for the sequence of events when reverting vandalism, I think. Please do let me know where there's still room for improvement. After reading those, you might also make some statement about having done so at WB:RFP. – <font color="Indigo">Mike.lifeguard  &#124; <font color="Indigo">talk 18:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've said we'll not give rollbacker now. Instead we'll wait a week or two, see some good vandalism reverts, and reconsider then. Fair enough? – <font color="Indigo">Mike.lifeguard  &#124; <font color="Indigo">talk 17:26, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think so. I guess that I mainly edit, as vandals here almost don't exist... However, I still enjoy reverting the edits as they come. Cheers, Laleena (talk) 19:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Transwiki:Denmark
I imported this page for you. There were some problems with the import, and I was not able to get the entire revision history. This may cause a problem, so I suggest that you make some kind of explicit note on the page that it was originally derived from the article at Wikipedia (and make sure to mention that in your summary, so it appears in the edit history as well). --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 02:15, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Good to have you back. Νεοπτόλεμος 23:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Commons
Just a reminder that you don't need to move images from Commons to Wikibooks to use them. You can just pretend they exist here, and the software does will know what to do. For reference: Image markup etc. – <font color="Indigo">Mike.lifeguard  &#124; <font color="Indigo">talk 13:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Making decisions
There's no rule that non-admins can't close VFDs, but it is customary that decisions are made only by people who can actually take the action decided upon. So that means a nomination for adminship would be closed by a bureaucrat since only they can actually take that action. Admins decide whether to block, since only an admin can take that action. Deviation from this is fine in obvious cases when done properly, but otherwise can be seen as being bossy.

While we normally have no problems with non-admins closing VFDs in obvious cases if they do it properly, that's not been the case in the last 2 you've done. Similarly, when you come across vandals that you think need blocking, just let us know there's someone causing disruption. An admin will make the decision to block or not. Instead what you've done is to say "Block this person," and almost every time you've done so, it's been a false positive. I think as a relatively new user here, you probably just need to be exposed to the community a bit so you get a better feel of the "culture" here. I'm certainly not asking you to stop participating, but I am asking that you try to adhere to the norm of letting those who can take the action decided upon to actually make that decision. Thanks for your understanding. – <font color="Indigo">Mike.lifeguard  &#124; <font color="Indigo">talk 15:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Request to close a VfD
I am rusty on some stuff here but I am reasonably sure VfDs must be kept open for at least a week unless they are exceptional. The VOIP one has only just been open a week now - is there any real rush with this? Thanks -- Herby talk thyme 14:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Remote Talk Gadget
I took a quick look at your remote talk gadget code, and I made a few small fixes. Refresh your cache, and see if it works now. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 01:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
Just saw you message in the Wikibooks New Projects page. You are welcome to make your contributions to Iranian History :-). The references must be added at Iranian History/Contents/Bibliography/. Looking forward to your contributions. tc :-) -Ravichandar84 (talk) 06:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

VfD
It was closed early in under 7 days hence my removal of the impending doom notice. Please revert it to my edit as soon as possible -- Herby talk thyme 13:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: US History
Hi Laleena,I'm not entirely sure that I understand what you mean. These pages have already been moved. The pages tagged with delete are merely redirects to these pages. Reece  (Talk)   (Contributions)  15:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well, then, that's fine with me. Laleena (talk) 15:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Admin Nomination
Hi Laleena,

I have nominated you for admin on the WB:RFA page. I think you can make good use of the tools. You should probably accept it on that page, as I'm not sure how many will have seen the discussion here. --Jomegat (talk) 02:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

re:Votes for deletion
Now signed ChessCreator (talk) 14:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)