User talk:LGreg/sandbox/Approaches to Knowledge (LG seminar 2020/21)/Seminar 9/Truth

Truth in Criminal Law section
I've been adding to my section on ruth in criminal law, but have been struggling to get my head around the concept of truth and how the different theories can be applied. If anyone has any comments or suggestions, please feel free to let me know or make any changes necessary. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 18:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Tsarina Catarina (discuss • contribs) 10:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC) I added Inquisitorialism - truth doesn't necessarily apply in UK courts, more if you win, or not. So there is a concept in European countries that tries to get around this. I hope you don't mind.


 * Thank you, I had a read through and it's a really great addition. I didn't want to make it too broad by including other countries, but I think you're right and it makes sense to see the comparison and other ways truth can be defined. Thanks again! Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 14:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Perhaps a case study on jury nullification? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification --5050clown (discuss • contribs) 10:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * In addition to these strong suggestions, I was considering the role of the Pragmatist theories of truth in this legal context. Might this apply as court cases are subject to revision if enough substantive evidence can be provided? In other words, as with Peirce's slogan "Truth is the end of inquiry," a case may be closed as a verdict has been reached with all currently available information. This verdict remains "true" until there is evidence to counter the verdict at a later date. Thoughts from other contributors are greatly appreciated. Lamplight360 (discuss • contribs) 15:36, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * These are all really interesting suggestions, thank you! I'm slightly worried about losing the clear focus and conciseness of the section, but you all raise really good points. I'll have a think about how I can integrate these ideas wtihout making the section too lengthy, but please feel free to make your own adjustments and edits if you would like to! Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 07:52, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I've decided not to add any more content to the section as I think there's a big risk of it becoming too broad and not concise, as it's already much longer than I had initially intended. Although please do make any more suggestions if you'd like to. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 04:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Citing The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (SEP)
I plan to incorporate work from the SEP for this entry on truth and am having trouble going about accurately citing this source. As its a dynamic encyclopedia, it's proving quite difficult to find all the most recent information for citation purposes. Any suggestions would be sincerely welcomed.

Lamplight360 (discuss • contribs) 14:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

As an update, I've found that another contributor has referenced the SEP and would be curious to know how we go about consolidating our citations in order to maintain the Vancouver format. I attempted to use the SEP citation from the "Truth in Theology" section, but was unable to transfer the reference. Any help in this pursuit would be much appreciated.

Lamplight360 (discuss • contribs) 15:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Number Citations
I've been trying to research whether or not a space is needed before the in-line number citation, but I can't seem to find any definitive answer. I was wondering if anyone knew? Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 05:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure if I fully understand your question, but I think the general order is: punctuation (comma, full stop) > reference > space. i.e: "The quick brown fox,[1] jumped over the lazy dog.[2] And then...." --5050clown (discuss • contribs) 14:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


 * That makes perfect sense - thank you! Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 14:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in Economics
I just added a quote from Taleb because he had and still has such influence over economic thought.

That said, I am looking for a more uptodate reference point to bring the article into the present day. I hope this is ok. Tsarina Catarina (discuss • contribs) 15:14, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


 * That's great, thank you so much! I have just tweaked the section slightly to better fit the overall discussion. I think it fits quite well with the points made earlier, and while the book was published in 2007, it has a lot of relevant points, as you have already highlighted in your contribution. - Hithertoundreamt (discuss • contribs) 21:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in Theology
There's so much to say on this subject so I have a hard time structuring my paragraph... I am open to your suggestions ! A.ren01 (discuss • contribs) 11:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * That's true, there really is a lot to say on this topic! It might be using some key phrases in terms of truth, for example talking about theological realism? I'll do a bit more research and see if there's any extra information I could add to your section, if that's okay with you. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 04:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I find theological realism very interesting, but I cannot see the link with truth... Feel free to write a few sentences about it if you want!A.ren01 (discuss • contribs) 11:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * It's not a topic I know too much about, but I just found it interesting how religious realism is based on what is seen to be 'true' in that religion, and the truth claims made about the God in question. Maybe my interpretation of truth is slightly different, but I'll see if I can find a way to write a bit about it without confusing your section! Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 07:49, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it's worth noting the different kind of truths within the bible, since there is a large variety of different interpretations and forms of truth that can be extrapolated from it Triple zero one (discuss • contribs) 17:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it is interesting. Thank you for your feedback.--A.ren01 (discuss • contribs) 11:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I wish we had more space and time. The threat of the truth behind faith in theology and therefore religion has caused so much unrest throughout history and it is an area I would like to explore - how do you differentiate between faith and truth in religion? Is it true? Does it have to be? I will try and add a little to this topic. Is that ok? Tsarina Catarina (discuss • contribs) 16:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I've added some extra ideas into the theology part, mostly about evidentialism Triple zero one (discuss • contribs) 22:56, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I've added some external links, nothing much. This discipline is fasciating June1965parias (discuss • contribs) 13:45, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in Art / Western Canon
I have come to a point in my section where I can't really add much more to it without dramatically increasing the scope of what I'm writing about, and I'm worried then that the point of the mini-essay will be muddied. Any ideas would be much appreciated. --5050clown (discuss • contribs) 10:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I think what you've written is really good quality and concise. I personally wouldn't add anymore to it or I think you're at risk of, like you said, increasing the scope too much. Maybe you could add a short conclusion to sum everything up and summarise briefly the role of truth in Art/Western Canon? Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 12:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in Art 2
There's a second section on truth in art which I believe has greater capacity for scope expansion than mine. I have very surface level knowledge of Jean Baudrillard's concepts of hyperreality and simulacra, and I believe this is a perfect addition to the list of philosophical truth in art.

However, as seems to be a running theme with my run-ins with postmodern philosophy, the work (and analyses of his work) is far too dense and referential to prior philosophical concepts for me to gather decent sources (my only information in relation to him is via wikipedia) which provide introductory information on his ideas. Any guidance would be much appreciated! --5050clown (discuss • contribs) 12:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I think Plato's understanding and critique that artists form a constructivist perspective is an interesting addition to this topic. Art is subjective and therefore true to whom? Really interesting to read about. Tsarina Catarina (discuss • contribs) 13:59, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes completely !! That's why I found it interesting to compare Heidegger's and Plato's perceptions of truth Velma1234567 (discuss • contribs) 13:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Velma1234567

Standardising Layout
Hiya! Just made a little edit removing bolds from subtitles to standardise overall layout.

Basciscool44826 (discuss • contribs) 22:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Truth in Literature
Hi just to let you know that arranged some of your sources :) !! Velma1234567 (discuss • contribs) 13:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Velma1234567