User talk:LGreg/sandbox/Approaches to Knowledge (LG seminar 2020/21)/Seminar 9/History

Formatting
I thought I'd ask if we should go through our subheadings and headings and make sure everything is the same size and format? It might help to make the sandbox look more 'professional' and organised. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 08:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I made all subheadings the same size, and will do the same with main headings too. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 13:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I just made a few formatting changes to the Evidence in Philosophy and The Evidential value of Mythology in Antiquity to make sure everything is the same format. A.ren01 (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Moving content
I moved the work on Artificial Intelligence onto the main sandbox page from the discussion page, so it's in the right place. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 07:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

The History of Marketing
I removed the word "well" from first History of Marketing section, as this seems to take the first sentence in a more biased direction rather than give a purely descriptive, or objective, read.


 * In the History of Marketing section, well done for getting an image on there - I struggled to do this, even after the training. Any tips would be greatly received.Tsarina Catarina (discuss • contribs) 16:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for adding in the reference to Freakonomics by Steven Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner!! --Hithertoundreamt (discuss • contribs) 13:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

History of Economics: paradigm shift section edits - Behavioural Economics
Thank you so much to whoever contributed to the 'History of Economics - Paradigm shifts in the 20th & 21st century' section! I have integrated your research/findings about Behavioural Economics and how other social sciences have been combined together to solve global issues into the final paragraph of the section; please do let me know if it accurately conveys your message still. If not, feel free to edit the section or reformat the paragraph! -  Hithertoundreamt (discuss • contribs) 21:04, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I have also formatted the History of Economics section to break up the text, and your contributions about Behvioural Economics, social sciences solving global issues etc. are now part of the 'Further Developments in Economics Today' sub-section! -   Hithertoundreamt (discuss • contribs) 21:20, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Science Communication Sections
I noticed someone had added another section on science communication under mine. I wasn't sure if this was an add-on to my original section or if you wanted to start your own, so I made it into it's own section to structure the page more. Please do leave a comment if you wanted it as a part of the original section and I can integrate them together! Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 17:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes! This was intended as an add on to yours.Tsarina Catarina (discuss • contribs) 08:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Great, thank you! Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 04:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I've just made a small edit to the end of your addition to my section, to help link it to History as an issue and draw the section to a close - I hope that's okay but please let me know if you have any more thoughts or want to make some more edits. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 08:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Fully fleshed out section on artificial intelligence
As discussed in a post-seminar discussion, I decided to add additional information to the section on Artificial Intelligence. I feel like there may need to be some greater focus on history in the section, so feel free to make further edits if this is an area you're interested in.


 * I would also like to mention, in relation to citations for this section, a large majority of the information regarding modern developments in AI are either mentioned in very techy papers, or on blogs and digital news sites. I believe that due to the very online nature of this topic, it is suitable to use websites like TechCrunch as citations. I would like to hear your opinion on this matter. 5050clown (discuss • contribs) 21:31, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

International Relations
I have fleshed out a little this entry. Tsarina Catarina


 * I think it might be important to distinguish that although international relations started with the Peace of Westphalia's introduction of the state system, the study of the relations and the theory in and around the discipline came quite considerably later (in response to WWI from a cursory wiki glance). I am about to add a mention of Sun Tzu's Art of War as it precedes the Thucydides text, and it might also be useful to provide a non-Western example.

5050clown (discuss • contribs) 15:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * You make very valid points here. While I appreciate the addition of non-Western examples, it might be more fitting to include such an example in a separate section dedicated to criticisms of IR as a discipline with one of IR's more common criticisms being its Eurocentrism.

Lamplight360 (discuss • contribs) 20:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I have just attempted to split apart mention of IR as a discipline and IR as a phenomenon. Let me know if you think this is clear enough now.

5050clown (discuss • contribs) 16:18, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

The Communist Manifesto in IR
Do you think it is worth including mention of The Communist Manifesto in the IR section? I'll admit this subject is not an area of expertise to me so I thought I would ask the group first.

5050clown (discuss • contribs) 16:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thats a good point - if you think it might change the perception on when IR started as a discipline, I'd definitely include it. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 16:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I would argue giving The Communist Manifesto a mention in the IR section as potential subject matter of the discipline would be appropriate, though I think including the work to suggest it was a possible starting point of the discipline would be conflating subject matter with the discipline itself. I do not believe the Communist Manifesto sparked the same sort of push toward a structured framework for academic study, and in turn the establishment of a so-called discipline, as did the formalization of a distinct teaching faculty of IR at Aberystwyth University in 1919. Of course, I welcome any input from other contributors.

Lamplight360 (discuss • contribs) 20:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I think the real question we need to look at here is what specifically is the subject matter of IR. Is IR as a discipline the study of the relations between nations, or is it also the study of analysis of these relations?

5050clown (discuss • contribs) 09:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

As I understand the discipline from my own research and brief time in my introductory international relations module this term, IR is more concerned with the interactions between nation-states and non-state actors (to varying degrees depending on strain of IR being studied). There is likely a strand of academic study within IR which focuses on meta-analysis of these relations, but this seems a peripheral area of focus rather than the core of the discipline itself. Please let me know if I have not fully understood the distinction you are making.

Lamplight360 (discuss • contribs) 16:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Banksy in Street Art
Is it worth including mention of Banksy in the street art section? I feel personally that his influence on the world of fine art is overstated, and that Basquiat's work was more influential, especially as he was part of both graffiti and fine art culture.


 * Inclusion of Banksy in my opinion would be mainly in relation to the public's perception of street art (especially in the UK), rather than the perception of it in the art world.

5050clown (discuss • contribs) 10:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

The History of Artificial Intelligence
I just added a picture to this section A.ren01 (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

The History of Culinary Arts
This was really interesting to read, and not something you often get to read about! I made a few minor corrections in terms of grammar and the order of punctuation and referencing, but also wanted to suggest adding in a few sentences in the final paragraph, to sum up when you thought culinary arts started as a discipline. From what I can see, I think you're suggesting that the emergence of culinary arts as a discipline was in the late 19th century, when schools and universities began to formally teach it as as an academic subject, but I just wanted to make sure before I added any extra sentences to your work. Inorganic-Yogi (discuss • contribs) 04:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I too edited a little grammar ! I also added a small paragraph about Ayurveda - the Indian traditional health system that uses food as medicine and has done for over 5000 years. I put it in the first section as I thought it suited that best. if you don't like it, please take it out but I really loved this topic and think Ayurveda is a great tradition alongside others that still exists today. Tsarina Catarina (discuss • contribs) 09:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your feedback!! Will go back in and add that. Wasn't too sure if I could put a conclusion because wanted to stay as impartial as possible. Please edit again if you think it needs it. Also Tsarina thank you for adding about the Ayurveda, really interesting to add another perspective. Basciscool44826 (discuss • contribs) 13:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

^ Ignore my last message Inorganic-Yogi. Yes, I do think it emerged as a full discipline in the late 19th century, I meant to distinguish between that and the apprentice-master relationship before that time, but didn't in the end. Basciscool44826 (discuss • contribs) 13:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi! the subject was super interesting. I just added some more informations about the modern era of this discipline! June1965Parias (discuss contribs) 13:21, November, 9 2020 (UTC)