User talk:Kellen/Archive 1

Hey Kellen, on the Votes for Deletion page did you really write that vote? The entry shows it was an anonymous IP, not you logged in. Perhaps someone is impersonating you? MShonle 06:46, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was me, just forgot to log in. meh. Kellen
 * btw, how do you timestamp stuff? I didn't see it in an obvious place in the docs...
 * You use four ~ characters: ~ MShonle 21:39, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for voting to keep The Che Cafe and The Smell as articles on Wikipedia -RiseRobotRise

Category:Recipe
Ah, that makes sense. When I first found Category:Recipe, I just thought it was redundant with Category:Recipes (much like Category:Bread and Category:Bread recipes, but it is nicer to have a full list elsewhere from the tree listing.

This project definitely has a lot of different design considerations than wikipedia. For instance, an index would be useless there, but necessary here (Say I want Jambalaya, which can be made with many meats. Do I look in Category:Chicken recipes, Category:Seafood recipes, or Category:Southern recipes first?)

You can tell I'm such a wikiholic. Wikipedia is down to edits for a day and I go categorizing recipes like mad in wikibooks. --Laurascudder 22:14, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pasta e Fagioli
OK, I figured out your name.. Thanks again Too Old 17:37, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

BTW: To eliminate the problem with forgetting to log in;  If you always use the same IP, you can change your preferences to "Remember accross sessions".

Re: category hierarchies
''Hi, I perused your critique of wikibooks and since you're one of the more active people on here, I wonder what your opinion is on hierarchical category schemes. [snip] Kellen 21:35, 12 July 2005 (UTC)''
 * I hadn't quite got there yet. I've just added a section now. See: User:Aya/Wikibooks/A critique of Wikibooks. If you have any comments, please direct them to the talk page. - Aya 23:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

''My comment was somewhat apart from your document, but that is definitely a bug. Have you filed a report? [snip] Kellen 00:51, 13 July 2005 (UTC)''
 * I haven't come across a document pertaining to the procedure for filing bug reports yet. Regarding the comment, you're correct, but should I get asked the same question again, I can simply point people at that same link. - Aya 01:02, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Did you ever read my replies in User talk:Aya/Wikibooks/A critique of Wikibooks? - Aya T C 18:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Problem: Jewish Cooking
I want to add a category or categories for Jewish cooking. My problem is that there are several different regional variations. Northern and Eastern European Jews (Ashkenazim) have one way of cooking, Southern European Jews another. Jews that trace their ancestry from the Mediaeval Jews of Iberia (Sfardim) have a third way. Then there are the Jews of Israel, and the Jews of North Africa. Let alone the Jews of India, China, etc.

I could provide several Ashkenazik recipes, but where should I put them? European Cuisine? Northern or Eastern? Where then would Sfardik or Israeli dishes go?

Should Jewish cooking be split among Regional Cuisines, or should the regional varieties of Jewish cooking be subsumed under an over-all category of Jewish Cooking?

Do you have any suggestions? Can you help? Too Old 02:27, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Now, if I got back to cooking, I could use my new camera to take pics of some of our recipes :) Gentgeen

Suggestion
Would it be possible to have some sort of link between some links so that adding one automatically inludes related links? eg recently I added a Peruvian recipe. I inserted the appropriate 'Peruvian Recipes' category at page end. Then found that also there is a South American cat, A Peruvion Cuisine link on some Peruvian recipes, and a link to the Wikipedia Peruvian Food section on another. It seems somewhat tedious if each has to be added individually when adding just the Peruvian foods could just trigger an alert for the other three or be programmed to do so.Conce 04:31, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You could create a template (to go at the bottom of the page), named perhaps Italic text"Template:Peruvian", which you would include by doing, and which would have the contents:


 * That said, you should probably not include Peruvian recipes in both Cat:Peruvian and Cat:SouthAmerican since Cat:SouthAmerican is a supercategory of Cat:Peruvian. In the future, there will probably be a way to see all the pages in descending categories, which means that anything in peruvian food would show up nicely in south american food without a tagging it with both categories. Also be warned that including a category through a template requires extra work when the template changes -- you'll have to do edits on all the pages that include the template in order for their category listings to refresh. Gah. hope this is all clear. Kellen T 05:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I dearly hope that the template problem is a soon-to-be-fixed bug and not something considered unfixable. AlbertCahalan 02:37, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

yes.thank you. usefull info. which I need to consider. Conce 05:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

rhubarb pie picture
I agree that a solution needs to be found. But I do think that my own arrangement is more satisfactory than your latest one. I won't revert yours, but I think some work should be done on this. I suppose that either the box or the picture needs to be drastically moved.... Hayford Peirce 15:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll try playing around with the Image and things, although I'm certainly not a guru at this. And yes, I did indeed take the picture -- if you click on it, it gives you all sorts of info about it.... Hayford Peirce 18:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Category unions
If you recall, we were previously discussing the possibility of creating a union of two existing categories. It seems there is a MediaWiki extension for this already, although it is presently only enabled on Wikinews. See DynamicPageList for details. Drop a request into bugzilla if you want it enabled for Wikibooks. - Aya T E C 16:53, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks for the pointer, I'll probably request it tonight. This doesn't really solve the problem though as the lists must still be manipulated by hand and what I really want is automatic inclusion of pages further up the category tree (DAG) and dynamic user-controlled cross-category listings (instead of page-controlled). This is definitely a step in the right direction, though. Kellen T 23:12, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Poe tay toe
I kinda think the potato varieties should just be merged with the main potoato page, no?
 * They originally were, but someone deleted them so I gave them a home of their own. The page could get very very big if more people add other varieties, as I would hope. (Although no-one did before ) Redlentil 09:02, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Sweet Potatoes or Yams
Well, the two are different things, both starchies like the potato, but they're not the same. So they really shouldn't be under yam. http://www.seedsofknowledge.com/yams.html Nmontague 02:59, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

cookwork
I agree with User:Duk, Cookbook:Tahini Goddess Dressing should not be marked with the cookwork template. You've marked many, many pages this way. The pages that really do need work are now buried in a category full of fairly-decent pages. Probably all the Cookbook pages could use some work!

I have been thinking of going down that list and just removing the template from 90% of the pages it is on. The template is way overused. It's like the "under construction" signs that most web pages had around 1995.

AlbertCahalan 15:54, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I did not actually add most of the recipes in that category, but had User:Uncle G mark them when he transwikied recipes since their links would probably be broken and not have proper formatting. I use the template to denote pages that don't conform to the standard cookbook formatting or need categorization, but don't have time to fix up when I mark them. Perhaps a less invasive template would be more appropriate for those types of pages, but they do need some sort of attention. Kellen T 19:24, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

thanks for your suggestion on vegan cheese
Thanks for your suggestion on vegan cheese. Feel free to add your input to the vegan cheese recipe. I will try out agar agar myself; I haven't yet seen it in a supermarket but then I wasn't looking for it either. --Fasten 16:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

RE: Naming policy
Well, the Salsa article was made before the List of dances article was made. --Wikamurai 23:28, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Chocolate cheesecake
Thanks for the attention you've given to Cookbook:Chocolate Cheesecake. I've done a little cleanup, but is there anything more you can think of that needs doing? This is really one of my favorite recipes, so I'd like to put its best foot forward.--Polyparadigm 02:22, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, I see that the attention tag is gone. I made a few more changes, and I think that will be that until another editor has something to add.  Thanks again!--Polyparadigm 06:01, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

could use some help
We've been getting subtle and subversive vandalism by recently. I'm sick and very tired this week. Please have a look. It's a mess. Some of the more-reasonable-looking edits have had non-revert edits afterward, making it difficult to undo things properly. AlbertCahalan 00:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Title Case
I wouldn't object to moving the pages back, and I'll refrain from writing new titles in sentence case. I'll continue my practice of creating redirects with all case conventions not covered (except CamelCase, which would just be silly) when I have the time; this should simplify any eventual change in convention that may take place. Thank you for your courtesy, and for cleaning up after me on so many occasions.--Polyparadigm 05:37, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Matrix
G'day. What you've done looks really good, it's exactly what i meant. I might start getting invovled with the vegan cookbook again soon since i've just started going out with a vegan gf and so i need to learn how to cook vegan. The bellman 09:08, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:Chile recipes
The Category:Chile recipes category is something that could cause trouble. Chile peppers are fruits of capsicum plants, and are commonly (not always) hot tasting. Chile is a dish normally containing beef, chili peppers, tomatoes, cumin, etc. (from User:AlbertCahalan)


 * We have:
 * Category:Chile recipes, which I was using for hot peppers.
 * Category:Chili recipes, which I was using for the dish.
 * Category:Bell Pepper recipes, which I was using for the larger, related, and non-spicy peppers.
 * is there some better organization you can think of? This is pretty ad-hoc, so there's definitely room for improvement. Kellen T 03:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, Chile and Chili and Chilli are all valid ways to spell the various things. So you're using a very arbitrary distinction, no better than using uppercase or two spaces or a hyphen. AlbertCahalan 05:34, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed. =) I chose those semi-arbitrarily.
 * A google test: "(chile|chili|chilli) (beans|pepper)" ("beans" to filter out non-dish pages to some minor degree):
 * chili beans: 3,230,000
 * chile beans: 1,900,000
 * chilli beans: 631,000
 * chili pepper: 2,920,000
 * chile pepper: 1,790,000
 * chilli pepper: 1,770,000
 * So "chili" wins out for both kinds. I think so long as they're consistent and the descriptions are clear, it'll be ok (since the words themselves are ambiguous). Any suggestion for a better kind of distinction? Kellen T 05:45, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Mississippi method
I think the Cookbook:Oven Temperatures page would be an appropriate home, especially if you can relate the values to regular measurements.

Accuracy will vary with alcohol consumption, calouses, age, sex, and audience.

AlbertCahalan 23:07, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but I actually have no idea what the temperatures relate to, since it's usually over coals... and it's BBQ specific. Kellen T 01:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: the other wiki cookbook
Hi Kellen. Including its creator, there are currently only three people on cookiwiki. The creator didn't know about this wikibook, and either did I when i joined the cookiwiki! Both he and I are just getting acquainted to the Cookbook and are considering contributing here instead. I've added a few things to the Cookbook already, and I have to admit, its been challenging to figure out how things work. Wikibooks has such a huge amount of info, that its difficult to figure out whether to consult pages on the overarching Wikibook, or on Cookbook specific pages. Over the weekend, I'm going to add an introduction page here to better orient new users to the organization of the site. The one major thing that isn't found here is a page to track changes specific to the entire Cookbook. That was initally a turn-off to the Cookbook, but some contributors have given me some alternative routes, and I plan to put those in the Intro page. Kneague 06:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

blanking
--Derbeth talk 09:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

is actualy:. It realy helps to see why you think the page should be deleted. --Krischik T 13:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Let you see my grill
Let you see my WHAAAAT??

ps. we are making biscuits right now and we were discussing how paul always thought they were really difficult or something but i told him that no, you are just lazy

68.15.29.44 17:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

You may just be onto something...
Hiya Kellen. Thanks for your response to my discussion with UncleG on the category naming thingybob. I think you may just be onto something very useful with your idea to do the recipes with a dietary indication in their name, rather than tagging them using my letter suggestions. I have vested interest, since I am on 2 diets, Gluten and Dairy Free. I would like to see recipes like that. So your way would be like this: Cookbook:Dutch Apple Cake (Diabetic)? That would work for me, definitely! Thanks for your comment. Tmalmjursson 03:04, 12 February 2006 (UTC) Thor's pet yack

"Subst:"
Hi. On Wikipedia I have been encouraged to substitute templates as per. The primary reason for doing so is that it speeds up the site since every time someone views a page, the server must get text from a separate page for every template used. However I am aware that some templates are inappropriate for this - I am going to revert my subst' back. --BorgQueen 17:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

German Recipesummary
Hi,

Thank for your information about the english recipesummary. I like the solution and i will adopt this idea to the german Cookbook as well as for our Bartending book. Anyway, have you seen our inputbox for new recipes? You might like this idea here too. -- ThePacker 23:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is not too hard. ;-) -- ThePacker 00:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Scratch page
Apologies, I must have gotten the wrong end of some stick somewhere. Now restored, Jguk 11:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

142.227.223.65
That's interesting. The user clearly has an account, because anons don't get watchlists. This person logs out to vandalize.

I suppose blocking the IP is justified. There are no non-vandalism contributions, and the IP is probably not a short-term allocation.

AlbertCahalan 00:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Che/Smell/etc.
Thanks for the headsup/help poops! I think it is interesting that this person is not even a registred user. These are non-profit community spaces, duh, not private business. Whatevs. Why dont you email me sometime?? We got so many internets right now you dont even know. Except you dont - how is Bristol?? 69.181.69.233 01:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Mika Miko
Hey Kellen, I took off the deleation notice on Mika Miko, I also added a notice to editors to examine the talk page before disputing notability. RiseRobotRise 12:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Marking content for speedy deletes
It would be appreciated if you didn't remove the text prior to marking up for a speedy delete. By leaving the offending text (unless you really think it is obscene and don't want to bother admins with it) you make it very obvious to get a second opinion on the topic, and one that with all of the markups you've given I have agreed with you. Just to verify, I have had to go in and check the history (to avoid removing content that was marked up as an act of vandalism).

Anyway, thanks for helping to clean up and maintain Wikibooks. Efforts like yours, even though small, are very much appreciated and make a huge difference. --Rob Horning 05:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Swing Kids
Hi Kellen, an article about one of Justin Pearson's older projects, Swing Kids has been nominated for deletion. So far the consensus is pretty much split. If you can help out and add weight to keep the page, that would nice. Thanks RiseRobotRise 07:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)