User talk:Kayau/Archive 1

Welcome, Kayau!

Come introduce yourself in the general reading room or your project in the project reading room. If you have any questions, you can ask in the assistance reading room or contact me personally. Kayau (talk) 12:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Ada Programming
I hope this is the appropriate place to place my comments. On occasion, I contribute about Ada. I feel a bit upset upon your change on the OO page.

I may say I am profoundly knowledgeable on Ada and I wrote a comment about a nonsense translation of C++ code into Ada. Now what does your comment mean "Hide text as it might look really ugly"? What's ugly here? Do you know anything about Ada?

The translation is really suboptimal (just to avoid the word nonsense or junk). I added my comment about this to invite people to go to the discussion page and give their ideas about a better translation. (I don't know much about C++.) On the discussion page, I made a proposal for such a better translation. Just to hide my comment is not very helpful for people trying to learn Ada, especially if they come from C++.

I'm awaiting your reply at the "Ada Programming/Object Orientation/discussion" page.

AdaMagica


 * Thank you, Kayau, for your kind comments. It was the word ugly which took me on the wrong foot. I would have expected a comment like what you gave me on the Discussion page directly there, not just a misleading comment in the history - I think this is its very purpose, isn't it. Why I was hesitant to replace the text is that I'm not an expert for C++, and I wanted to stimulate others to contribute. Obviously no one did; so today I've provided a (hopefully) better text. AdaMagica, 3 August 2010

Welcome!
Welcoming yourself shows initiative, sure, but what kind of neighbors would we be if it let it go at that?

Welcome to Wikibooks, Kayau!  First steps tutorial Wikibooks is for freely-licensed collaboratively-developed textbooks. You don't need technical skills in order to contribute here. Be bold contributing and assume good faith about the intentions of others. Remember, this is a wiki, so you're allowed to change just about anything, and changes can be made easily. Come introduce yourself to everyone, and let us know what interests you.

If you're coming here from other Wikimedia projects, you should read our primer for Wikimedians to get quickly up-to-speed.  Getting help  Goodies, tips and tricks  Made a mistake? Thanks, Pi zero (talk) 15:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC) (P.S. Would you like to provide feedback on this message?)
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Ha! I did the same at the zh. wikipedia, but nowhere else. I never self-welcomed at the simple wikipedia, wiktionary, en wikipedia, simple wikibooks, or anywhere else.

Deletion
Hi, I noticed your tag at A Wonderful Indian History, don't forget to create the corresponding section for discussion Votes for deletion with your reasons why it should be deleted. In some cases you may nominate a page for speedy deletion with a tag. You can read what makes something eligable for speedy deletion at the deletion policy. In just created today, you can try a to see if the author is really interested in continuing the project. It is also a nice idea (which I forget more than anyone) to leave a note at the main contributors talk pages to let them know what is going on. Hope your having fun. Thenub314 (talk) 18:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates
Just an FYI: nearly all templates that go on user talk pages need to be substituted. For instance, I fixed the welcome template above in this same edit by changing it to. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions regarding Wikibooks. -- Adrignola talk contribs 01:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Guess I'm just not used to this wiki. Do you need that on talkbacks as well? Kayau (talk) 07:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * (dropping in on the conversation...)
 * The welcome templates need to be substituted, as does . Those are the ones I know about.  There are others that shouldn't be subst'd, like  and .  Evidently, nobody's ever bothered to define   at Wikibooks.  --Pi zero (talk) 20:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

RE:Welcome
Hi. Thanks for the welcome. I'm more active in English Wikipedia so you might not see me around here much. :>) Bejinhan Talk  03:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't go to those departments. What's MOTD? I usually do other stuff there. Is your username there also Kayau? Bejinhan Talk  06:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't go to those departments often. I usually patrol the different articles for grammar mistakes. Bejinhan Talk  06:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

User page
You could have removed it. I really don't care if people edit my pages, just as long as it is for good. AltonBrownIsAwesome (talk) 13:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Geometry for Elementary School/Angles
I have uploaded an image, and included it into the page. Let me know what you think of it. Also see my response at my talk page about typesetting equations. Thenub314 (talk) 12:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Rights change
You've been granted the rollback tool. -- Adrignola talk contribs 12:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Geometry for Elementary School/A proof of irrationality
Could you take a look at this section and tell me what you think? Specifically I would like your input about the language. Specifically, do you think this is readable by an older primary school student. Thenub314 (talk) 13:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

BryanBot
The list of pages that are watched and updated on Discussion index and Administrators' discussion index are hidden in the code at the top of the page. The talk pages for the corresponding pages there are likely not listed due to all the talking pretty much taking place on the main page. -- Adrignola talk contribs 12:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Concerns about Geometry for Elementary School
I was taking a look at the older versions and and newer versions of this book, and I think there are some issues between what the book originally wanted to do and some of the new sections. The book was trying to give a classic "ruler and compass" introduction to geometry. Unfortunately with those tools there is no way to measure an angle, so one cannot talk about an angle that is 60&deg;. Also, one doesn't usually define congruence in such a way that it matters how you label the vertices. I am not sure how to reconcile the two points of view on the subject, but something should probably be done. Thenub314 (talk) 14:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I've reshaped your RfD post Requests for deletion
The post was a bit confused since you initiated the RfD and latter reposted an unsigned comment that provided the rationals for the RfD, I've joined them together and stamped the last date on the complete text. --Panic (talk) 22:33, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I never wrote that. It must have been another user forgetting to sign. My language isn't that mature you know. I'm still a kid, Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 13:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You are indeed correct the post was made [by Thenub314] in clarification of you position. He forgot to sign and the next post by you was still auto-commented as belonging to the same thread, in an high traffic edit history it is hard to fallow the participation. My mistake, but since the RfD is now closed, it is important to you that I correct the error ?
 * I've already inferred your age by "grown up" comment you made elsewhere. It is hard to detect vocabulary and proficiency on the use of the language by age, in todays words doesn't mean much and I'm not a natural English speaker. I know some "grown ups" that write like kids and vice versa :) In any case kudos for you to be participating in the project...  --Panic (talk) 21:09, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe it is still important to re-alter the comment and sign, perhaps, with Thenub314's sig. That way people who are just nosing around at the archives will not be misleaded. By the way, I am not a native speaker either. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 10:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do... --Panic (talk) 10:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done (Requests for deletion/Fuji Finepix Real 3D W1) --Panic (talk) 10:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, thanks for correcting that. Thenub314 (talk) 10:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I've removed your the request for deletion of Jamaican Creole
"It just doesn't look very agreeable." isn't strong enough reason to initiate an RfD, even so I've taken a look into the work and I don't see any issue that should place it in danger of deletion or even to consider initiate a discussion about it's future. You must understand that when you tag a work for RfD you force people that intent on working on it to move away, it has a very strongly negative connotation on any of the work done so far and it is extremely demoralizing. Ultimate if you haven't strong enough reason but you dislike the work for some reason try to address the community working on it or use the general discussion area. --Panic (talk) 06:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Book move
Moved your book to Chinese Stories to title case it as is convention. It's also in Category:Cultural anthropology, alongside other books such as Indian Mythology and Greek Mythology. -- Adrignola talk contribs 12:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

re screenshots
I have responded on my talk page. thanks. --33rogers (talk) 14:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

PDF thumbs
I figured out how to get a specific page to show up in the thumbnail. will show page 13. I see you have a static thumbnail in the template now, but thought I'd share this anyway. -- Adrignola talk contribs 01:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's cool. I'll try to use that when I need to. However, I've read on wikisource that when dealing with archive.org .djvu files, we should go to archive.org to obtain the jpeg as the quality is higher. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 10:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Naming policy
While the book's title must use title case, the subpages can use title case or sentence case. That means your moves to make the subpages of Wikijunior:Biology sentence case were just fine, but likewise they also could have been fine with the original title casing as well. -- Adrignola talk contribs 15:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? Oh darn, I always thought modules have to use sentence case. Is it OK if I don't move it back? It will take a terrible amount of time to do that. :( Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 01:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

re: your comment on "A thought experiment"
I just felt it adequate to note that you are the smartest 12-year old I have seen in a long while :) I really wonder whether, if Wikibooks existed ten years ago and I had decent command of English back then, I would be able to make myself at home here as you do. Probably not... Cheers, Duplode (talk) 17:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Just for you
– Adrignola talk 22:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikijunior:Biology's systems pages don't seem to have their navigation matching up with the order on Wikijunior:Biology/Systems. Just thought you should know. – Adrignola talk 20:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Just a passing thought
You could link to "w:WT:WPWPA". --Pi zero (talk) 06:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just too dratted lazy to remember the section header. :) Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 11:09, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion format
Feel free to pop out of the bubble textbox if you wish to continue on the other thread. I've advanced a change considering what was already said (even what was removed), regarding the usefulness, interpretation and need of the icons and if they really do help us understand each-other. Please reply there if not dealing with issue regarding format, and again feel free to restore it or adapt a similar approach that you prefer to keep the page usable and the discussion to the point. --Panic (talk) 09:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

The change you made is skewing the other chapters Chapters (affecting the main page) and is extremely hard to read in the deepest level. --Panic (talk) 04:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the edits. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 04:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It also wasn't improving on the core issue. --Panic (talk) 04:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Image
C++ Programming/Programming Languages

Is there a way to show the full image if a user clicks in the thumbnail ? (At present it goes to the commons page but even then the image is unreadable it has to be clicked in the full image size) --Panic (talk) 02:42, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Media:TaxonomyofProgrammingLanguages.png]] will produce a link that goes to the full size. – Adrignola talk 04:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? It's not really full size for me... Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 04:25, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It is the same display that full image shows on commons (same URL) the size still has to be increased (to be readable), I use an extension that does that, maybe it is the browser that limits the image in some way, but the solution is an improvement. Is there a way to include it on the thumb or will I have to add it as a link in the description ? --Panic (talk) 04:32, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Reviewing
Please do not sight obvious vandalism such as the edit I had to revert on High School Earth Science/Continental Drift. – Adrignola talk 12:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments
You probably noticed that your concerns in the Wikimedia Forum went unnoticed or unanswered. That's typical from what I've seen there. It's simply not the best venue. Instead, I'd suggest subscribing to and posting your comments to the foundation-l mailing list, where many high-profile people will see them. You can note the loss of five high-profile people on Wikinews due to infighting, the infighting at Wikiversity, and any personal observations at Wikibooks. – Adrignola talk 12:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

On the duty of Civil Disobedience

 * I don't know about civil disobedience, but this may start an edit war. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 10:10, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

What if they gave a war and no one came?

Kayau, you are about to enter into one of the most fertile periods of learning in life. You will discover that we live in a wide world, rich with fascinating ideas. Among the ideas which were controversial in the 20th Century were ideas promoted by figures like Mohandas K. Ganhdi and Martin Luther King. They were both assassinated, even though their own methods were scrupulously non-violent.

But this is Cyberspace, Kayau. An assassin can imprison or kill an avatar that promotes an idea, but ideas themselves cannot be killed or imprisoned.

Victor Hugo, the author who wrote Les Misérables, said, “You may resist the invasion of armies, but you can’t resist the invasion of ideas.”

—Moulton (talk) 11:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * He's right. --Abd (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

On the reversion of Moulton comments.
This is long, I apologize for that, but I don't have time to make it shorter. :-) There is nothing urgent here, so, please, if you like, read it at leisure.

. I have many times requested that Moulton not ever revert war over his comments. I have, in fact, suggested that he self-revert "per block of Moulton", and the reason is that this would simultaneously respect the right of a community to add extra control to the contributions of an editor (though blocking), while at the same time making a "proposed edit" that people may read in history, if they wish to, and then those who have read it can take responsibility for any of a number of possible measures:
 * Revert it back in as a useful contribution, or at least harmless.
 * Refer to the edit in a diff, with comment as to why it was not reverted in, or why it might be useful to look at it.
 * Request block of the IP involved at an appropriate noticeboard. Or not.
 * Ignore it.

This suggestion of self-reversion has been proposed and used in a number of places. What it does is to tease out legitimate blocking (the purpose of blocking, in general, is to avoid the open appearance of disruptive material), from a desire to censor, to prevent criticism. By doing the reverting himself or herself, the blocked editor is cooperating, not disrupting, and is simply substituting a self-reverted comment for one submitted by alternate means, such as by email or off-wiki, as on Wikipedia Review.

Moulton has yet to accept this suggestion, but others have, including Thekohser, who cooperated fully and used self-reverted edits to make positive contributions while blocked at Wikiversity. In return, for a time, the contributing IP was not blocked. That period ended when a sysop decided that "the experiment was over," blocked the account that had been open for communication, at first blocked but with Talk page access allowed, all without any disruptive editing at all. (And clearly contrary to consensus, paralleling what's been happening here.) There are sysops who don't understand that unnecessary blocking amplifies and perpetuates disruption. The goal should always be to prevent damage and encourage positive contributions. But over the long term, the rule-bound have a tendency to take over. "A ban is a ban is a ban," comes to be the actual practice. And "evading a ban" becomes a game to be won at all costs. Instead of negotiated "peace agreements," that are likely to be honored, we get a constant need to make reverts, and set IP blocks, including what have sometimes become massive range blocks. All to prevent "disruption."

When there are far easier and less disruptive ways, usually.

In the absence of Moulton's compliance (he has his own reasons, I'm not faulting him, but those reasons do put him at odds with overall wiki welfare, in my view, in spite of his often very cogent criticisms), there remains one practice that is very simple: anyone may revert out the original contributions of a blocked editor, without review of their content. Otherwise a block means nothing, it could be replaced with a "global revert permission." But, then, and this has been well-established on Wikipedia, in spite of attempts to ding editors who revert back in the comments of blocked editors, any editor, by taking personal responsibility for the appropriateness of the material in context, may revert it back in.

And editors really should do that, if it is useful material, without revert warring. The original revert is procedural, not a decision that the content is inappropriate, so the "original assertion," technically, is by the editor who reverts it back in. That comment could have been received by email, as an example, being posted with permission. If another editor reverts, that the original editor was blocked is irrelevant. The issue becomes the content. As it should be.

Moulton suggested, yesterday, that I could revert his edit back in. I declined to do so, because I am not yet active here (I probably will be in the future). My view is that the revert back in of a reverted edit from a blocked editor should never be by an IP editor, because it raises possible questions about socking, it should be what we might call a "registered member," someone with something to lose if acting disruptively.

I urge editors who value a contribution from Moulton to recognize that they are not helpless, it is the editor who is blocked, not the content. Moulton often makes useful comments, and they should be reverted back in, my opinion. Does this "encourage" him? Sure, but only to make contributions that are useful. Isn't that what policy should be about? If he makes contributions that are disruptive, nobody will revert them back in, he'll be wasting his time. If he does this all the time, people will stop even looking at the edits, as long as they are self-reverted, thus defeating his purpose. If he makes contributions that require revision deletion, such as "outing" edits, not only will nobody revert them back (unless an admin, at great risk!), but the IP will definitely and promptly be blocked.

I'll be arguing at Wikiversity that self-reverted edits should not bring down an IP block, if identified as I've described ("Will revert per block of Named Editor,"). These actually make ban or block enforcement easier, not more difficult. One can then look at the IP contributions to quickly verify that nothing untoward is going on. Self-reversions are quick and easy to check.

And the "censorship" argument is then shot to hell. Blocking becomes, simply, a kind of Flagged Revisions, only at a simpler stage: the contributions of the blocked or banned editor must be "seconded" to appear. There are lots of people to whom that might apply, but because we only have the blunt instrument of "Block!", and we have people who don't understand the purposes, we don't set up a middle ground.

Self-reversion is useful with topic bans, that's where it was first invented, and it worked brilliantly in the first case, a topic-banned editor who was a world-class expert on the topic. Instead of suggesting a complex edit on Talk, cumbersome and inefficient, he made the edit, then self-reverted "per ban." The editor who had requested the topic ban then reviewed it and accepted almost all of it, making only a few tweaks. Extremely efficient. Created cooperation where there had been discord and opposition.

Self-reversion could even be implemented involuntarily by bot. Trivial to do. And could be very specific, or site-wide. As an editor who has experienced being site-banned for a time, along with helping many other blocked editors, I would vastly prefer being automatically reverted to being blocked, particularly if the bot, say, exempted my user space, because then I could maintain my own user files, my own user page, etc. I have never evaded a ban except on Wikipedia where (1) the ban was completely unclear; that wasn't evasion at all, or (2) with self-reversion, twice. I was blocked both times, the first block was part of the decision to desysop the blocking admin ... the second time, it was never reviewed because by that time, I just did not care enough to go through the process of review. Blocks are bad news when not clearly designed to prevent disruption, but when they become punishment, which is what had happened. --Abd (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Numbering support votes for CU
Unlike other flags which are handled by consensus, the CheckUser right, on those projects without an ArbCom, is only granted by the stewards if there are 25 supporting votes in the project. We've always numbered support votes for CU; if you recall back to Adrignola's CU nomination, not only did we count support votes, but we sent out the drum corps to round up the last few votes he needed... Chazz (talk) 05:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I was on a Wikibreak then. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 06:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikinews numbers CU votes, too. It's a courtesy to the Stewards.  Per Meta policy, some Steward is going to have to verify that there were really at least 25 ayes.  --Pi zero (talk) 10:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't numbering !votes - the stewards could count them, can't they? But this is policy I can't challenge. And, um, Pi zero, did you just type Wikinews in CamelCase? Oh, I see you didn't. :-) Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 10:52, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Query
Are you able to see Special:AbuseFilter/13? – Adrignola talk 13:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 14:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent. That was the intended result. – Adrignola talk 14:21, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

TUSC token 125e99aff7317b8bf1d06fb2eedd920f
I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Re: Geometry for Elementary School
I would love to help, but my memory of geometry is faint at best. Even three years ago, when I was last on this site and when I was taking geometry, I was unable to help because much of it was indeed done. Again, I'd love to help, but I will stick with what I know. --Freiberg (talk) 14:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Note
If you would like an ndash, you can use the HTML code for it: – (see the wikitext). Calling a template for that is a bit unnecessary. – Adrignola talk 14:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * But convenient too. :) Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 14:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

historical documents?
saw you wrote on my talk page...but it wasnt there. Tannertsf (talk) 12:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant to write on Tannersf's talk page, but realised I wrote on yours instead, so I removed it. Are you, by any chance, the same person as Tannersf? Kayau (talk &#124; email &#124; contribs) 13:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

yes...we are the same. Tannertsf is my main, and current account. the other one is my old account i had 5 years ago. it is defunct now. - Tannertsf (talk) 15:55, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I wonder if you could define a scope for the historical documents book, because I have doubts whether it is suitable here. I have tried to find such a definition with no success. Thanks. Kayau (talk &#124; email &#124; contribs) 09:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The book seems to be out of scope. Its content should be at Wikisource. – Adrignola talk 12:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It's been RfD'ed before so I want to make sure first. :) Kayau (talk &#124; email &#124; contribs) 13:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

deleting historical documents
Kayau...you can get rid of my historical documents book. It shouldn't be here, it should be at wikisource. Thanks. - Tannertsf (talk) 10:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Investiture of the Gods
I was wondering if your language skills would permit you to explain to me why we have Investiture of the Gods/Chapter 16 and Investiture of the Gods/chapter 16b for 封神演義/卷016, for instance. There are many pages in that book tagged for merger (the #b or #.5 ones) but they refer to different titles for the chapters. Are they simply different translations? – Adrignola talk 13:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe they are, but the text itself wasn't translated. I personally prefer the former though; IMO its title is more accurate. The prose is also more readable. Kayau (talk &#124; email &#124; contribs) 13:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. I think the most direct translation would be Ziya burns the Pipa monster. Kayau (talk &#124; email &#124; contribs) 13:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That is helpful. Thanks. – Adrignola talk 14:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up
Image credit links are now available on the main page. – Adrignola talk 14:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Bug note
There's a bug since the update to MediaWiki 1.17 affecting imports. See bug 27486. You'll have to choose "all" as the destination namespace to attribute Wikipedia properly as the source, for now. – Adrignola discuss 15:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kayau 16:01, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Consider adding a note to whatever MW: page houses the message in special:import? Kayau 16:03, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, well, I was hoping it would get fixed soon enough that it wouldn't be a problem. Consider adding a proposal to the reading room for "suppressredirect" for importers. – Adrignola discuss 16:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think I'm gonna propose that cos I've already thought of a reason to oppose it. :D Kayau 16:14, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Ownership worries
Its custodianship from my perspective. How is this issue generally handled? marz (discuss • contribs) 23:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe I have resolved the problem by pluralising 'author'. Kayau 01:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your editorial assistance. marz (discuss • contribs) 02:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Is there a group working on math materials?
I much appreciate your many contributions in elementary school mathematics. Links have been set up from my website www.k-12math.info to a number of them. Is there a group within Wikibooks putting together elementary and secondary school mathematics information? Thanks.

Jim Kelly


 * There's a coordination amongst contributors to mathematics books at WikiProject Mathematics. – Adrignola discuss 15:33, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Requests for deletion/God and Religious Toleration
I want to point you at the German Wikibooks. The same author started a German version named "Gott (God)". We started an own deletion discussion based on "theory finding" and "NPOV violation". After a strong discussion, the author accepted to delete the book. I shall do so. -- Juetho (discuss • contribs) 16:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

WCI conference 2011 : Would like to discuss a few things
Hello!

I will be delivering a Talk at the Wikimedia Conference India 2011 on the topic of "Accelerating Wikibooks".

Over the next few days, I aim to make the proposal more and more wholesome and relevant. I'd like to discuss with you about the proposal and hope you can recommend me a few names on Wikibooks with whom I can discuss this.

I'd be very happy if you could discuss the proposal at User:Thewinster/Accelerating_Wikibooks

--Thewinster (discuss • contribs) 08:03, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Summary of the proposal
This is not a summary of the final talk, only a tentative guideline.


 * Create Roadmaps for a book
 * Define Learning Outcomes
 * Annotate and Discuss new content available from around the web.
 * Minor tweaks and fixes which concentrate on crowdsourcing.
 * Identifying Small Contribution that advance a book and designing good UIs and triggers according to B.J. Fogg's Behavior Change Model, 8 Step Design Process. The paper can be found here at Persuasive Design : Eight Step Process by B. J. Fogg