User talk:Karmafist~enwikibooks

New Wikibooks and especially New Wikibookians
I feel that it is incredibly disruptive to the effort of trying to create a new Wikibook to have suddenly a VfD slapped on you within hours of when you start the content. Generally this is done for reasons other than legitimate policy reasons to remove the content, and my experience is that they have a rather poor outcome as well. (i.e. a large majority of pages that have this occur survive the VfD anyway).

One Wikibook that I started writing myself had a VfD slapped on it and totally stopped the train of thought I had going into developing it in the first place. It also took over two weeks to fight the VfD, by which at that time the book fell off the bottom of the "New Wikibooks" list and stopped (IMHO) a bunch of people contributing to the book while it was at an early stage. It did survive the VfD, but I'm still sort of pissed at the user who threw up the VfD.

Books are very hard to write, and you are obviously not trying to write random gibberish or experimenting with writing in Wiki markup techniques (both reasons to delete content immediately). There are administrators (obviously) who don't agree with me on this point, and I've even had a row with Jimbo himself over this principle. When discussed objectively and rationally away from a specific page, however, it seems like a reasonable policy. If even content that is a blatant copyright violation is left for a couple of weeks, what real harm has occured? This is to first assume good faith, and try to work with the user to perhaps put content where it belongs.

Most recently I helped move a major effort to translate a medical textbook from English to Hatian Creole, and helped them to set up their own independent Wikisource project in Hatian Creole... up until now there was no original source material in that language. Had I started with a VfD and would have been confrontational instead of cooperative, this content would not have even been available for Wikimedia projects. And the translation is now available as GFDL'd text! (the original english version too, BTW). Instead I worked directly with the authors that were adding the content in the first place and made a few e-mail messages to try and explain policies calmly without trying to be too harsh. Unfortunately, that also takes quite a bit more time to do.

I hope your project works out, and BTW, Welcome to Wikibooks. I hope you find success with your ideas here. --Rob Horning 00:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiversity
I saw your name on the Wikiversity participant's list, you may be very experienced in mathematics already, but I'm trying out instructing a Calculus course if you're interested, go to Wikiveristy, check out the mathematics department, pure mathematics, and in the course list is included Calculus. Fephisto 22:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Templates, etc.
There are no general template standards for Wikibooks, and from my experience the use of templates is actually increasing due to people with more maturity using the MediaWiki software are adding content on Wikibooks now. Perhaps the extent of the use of templates needs to be addressed, but there is no pressing need for that right now.

One standard you ought to consider is that any templates that are specific for a single Wikibook ought to use the "namespace" of that Wikibook as well. For example, a Wikibook named Being a Real Estate Agent would have a template named Template:Being a Real Estate Agent/Navigation or something similar. This is also followed, BTW, on Wikisource as well for similar kinds of projects or "books". Deletion or removal of templates of this nature is IMHO tantamount to vandalism unless you have the general concensus of the individuals who are organizing and writing the Wikibook, and the decision to use or not use a template in this nature is a personal preference or style. With Wikipedia being technically a single book, it could be argued to standardize things of that nature over there. Here it is just simply inappropriate to demand such rigid standardization.

Re: Title of your Wikibook. There is a small group that are hyper mergists of content here on Wikibooks, with a noted example of two different C++ programming books that were merged together (haphazardly) into one book instead. With this there is a tendancy to not go for flamboyant names like you suggested, but there is no policy about this nor is this (from my viewpoint) strictly necessary either. My own attitude on this is if you can find a title like this in a public library, you should be able to use a similar title here on Wikibooks for a book. In book publishing circles (not just here on Wikibooks) there is a tendancy to have simple names for books when possible, which is a significant difference if you compare historical titles of books from say the 18th Century and earlier, where book titles were very wordy. If you use a more "exotic" title, just be prepared to defend the title in the disucssion pages of the book, and somebody simply renaming a book  'cause it is awful sounding is a form of vandalism as well and unwelcome, particularly if they are not participating in the development of the content. Otherwise, be creative and have some fun here. --Rob Horning 17:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Redirects
There is no current redirect policy of any sort, although some redirects have been deleted recently. Doing page moves tends to create a whole bunch of redirects (MediaWiki software) and few of those are used much afterward, especially if it is a sub-module that was moved and all of the links have been adjusted within the Wikibook. Don't try to get into an edit war over redirects, but if you find a redirect being deleted, try to find out who removed it and attempt to work out a compromise with that admin. I personally think that too many are being deleted at the moment, but they are also very easy to recreate if necessary. --Rob Horning 12:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Hi. I deleted your "Being a Real Estate Agent" module. You sent it to Votes for deletion and wrote, "I've renamed this elsewhere. Back on Wikipedia, we would have just CSDed this, but here? No clue."

Yes, the book is a "candidate for speedy deletion". When you want to delete something, and it does not need a vote, use  instead of. You can learn more about deletions by reading Deletion policy. As it is, I have no clue about how to delete Wikipedia pages... --Kernigh 23:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Cabalism on Wikipedia
Karmafist, as Wikibooks does not allow either original research or propaganda, I have deleted this book, which I see is in its original stages. May I suggest you look at What is Wikibooks, as I am concerned that you have some misconceptions about this wiki. Hopefully you will find another home for it. If it would help, I am prepared either to email you the content of the deleted pages, or temporarily undelete them for a week to give you time to copy the text for your own records. Just leave a note on my talk page if this is the case. Kind regards, Jguk 22:50, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd like to note, for your sake, that if you think this decision to remove this content was in error, you are welcome to add a request to undelete this content here: Votes for undeletion


 * I happen to agree with Jguk on the reasons for deleting this content, but no person (or even a group of people) is necessarily correct. Any and all decisions by administrators do have avenues to appeal what occurs, and don't get intimidated by what is going on here.  You also have the opportunity to express your opinion on Staff lounge if you want to scream at the general Wikibooks community.  --Rob Horning 00:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd seen you around WikiP, and it's ironic that I've got to add this seeing the preceding two posts! OTOH, what the hell, I navigated here as I recognized the user name on R Hornings page. I guess you could say you've just been spammed below, but I suspect (and think I recollect) we have some similar takes on things.
 * I never got to my WikiWork today as I browsed through the staff lounge and saw a familiar theme from various wikipedia archives, this time, in time to make a timely contribution.
 * I'm also going to take the liberty of posting the link to your manifesto for these folks, as I'll probably sign on soon. Clearly something needs to be done. My thoughts are a bit less revolutionary, and more evolutionary, but the two are mutually reinforcing.  Fabartus//&#91;&#91;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;User talk:Fabartus&lt;/font&gt;]] 21:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC) (I wish I knew how to fix this sig here!)

Karmafist, I think that "Cabalism at Wikipedia" sounds like something you could start at http://meta.wikimedia.org, a wiki filled with meta content about Wikimedia projects, including pages critical of Wikipedia, such as my recent Enwikipediathink page. You might also want to read or edit Critical views of Wikipedia. --Kernigh 04:35, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Gimme Shelter! Learning How To Be A Real Estate Agent
Please merge the pages found here, here, and here into one book. If you don't need certain modules, CSD them with delete. Thanks, hagindaz 01:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
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Renamed
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